Recall - Coming to a Computer Near You (Maybe)

[Elric]

Looks like the heat got a bit much for them.

Microsoft rolls back ‘dumbest cybersecurity move in a decade’

Changes to the AI feature dubbed Recall come as Microsoft navigates the fallout of a string of high-profile security breaches.

cyberscoop.com

 

[sablebrush52]

Looks like the heat got a bit much for them.

Microsoft rolls back ‘dumbest cybersecurity move in a decade’

Changes to the AI feature dubbed Recall come as Microsoft navigates the fallout of a string of high-profile security breaches.

cyberscoop.com

So, normal.

 

[sablebrush52]

Meanwhile, Adobe is shooting itself in the dick with its new updated user terms, which violate NDAs and suggest ownership of artists product for training its AI.
Artists are dropping their products and their stock has dipped.
Way to go Adobe!
I was going to buy Photoshop for my workstation, but as I don’t need it at the moment, will look at some alternatives.
If they remove the objectionable updates I’ll review the situation. Otherwise it’s likely Affinity will replace Photoshop.
Knowing Warner’s attitude about NDAs and content ownership, I don’t see them accepting this.

I doubt that ANY studio will.

 

[woodsroad]

So, you were caught in the huge data theft and subsequent dump/posting of all user info? Sorry to hear that,..

Yep, smaller user base, but better security.

Huh?

Edit: Was referring to Ashley Madison, in jest. They were hacked big time, and shortly thereafter, the hackers dumped info on millions of users of that controversial site. In other words, an attempt at humor.

 

[woodsroad]

Meanwhile, Adobe is shooting itself in the dick with its new updated user terms, which violate NDAs and suggest ownership of artists product for training its AI.
Artists are dropping their products and their stock has dipped.
Way to go Adobe!
I was going to buy Photoshop for my workstation, but as I don’t need it at the moment, will look at some alternatives.
If they remove the objectionable updates I’ll review the situation. Otherwise it’s likely Affinity will replace Photoshop.
Knowing Warner’s attitude about NDAs and content ownership, I don’t see them accepting this.

I doubt that ANY studio will.

As of now, the TOS changes aply to cloud use, but yes, this is one big fuck up for Adobe. Is there a better way to show client appreciation than theft? I’ve never trusted their cloud service, so after kicking the tires on it, I left it alone.

 

[fireground_piper]

Sounds like my experience over the years. Linux keeps getting better and over time there are more good replacements for Win apps. So close. So close.

This is near word for word the discussion for Linux 20 years ago. Always so close! Never actually there for the common user.

 

[sablebrush52]

As of now, the TOS changes aply to cloud use, but yes, this is one big fuck up for Adobe. Is there a better way to show client appreciation than theft? I’ve never trusted their cloud service, so after kicking the tires on it, I left it alone.

I’m aware of this but artists don’t see it that way and Adobe hasn’t refined the conditions under which they make a decision to view one’s files. I don’t put anything on the cloud as none of them are secure. Adobe’s site has been hacked several times.
While Adobe published a clarification on Friday, they haven’t revised the language of the user contract that users are required to sign, so a lot of users are dropping them. They’re getting killed on Linked In at the moment.
The stock is down about 20% for the year.

 

[woodsroad]

I’m aware of this but artists don’t see it that way and Adobe hasn’t refined the conditions under which they make a decision to view one’s files. I don’t put anything on the cloud as none of them are secure. Adobe’s site has been hacked several times.
While Adobe published a clarification on Friday, they haven’t revised the language of the user contract that users are required to sign, so a lot of users are dropping them. They’re getting killed on Linked In at the moment.
The stock is down about 20% for the year.

I deliver work to clients via a paid online hosting service geared towards photographers, PhotoShelter. I don’t use it as a backup or archive, even though I pay for unlimited storage. I avoid all other cloud services.

What dipshit came up with that wacko use of “cloud”, anyways? Sounds like Homer Simpson trying to explain the internet.

 

[Olkofri]

This is near word for word the discussion for Linux 20 years ago. Always so close! Never actually there for the common user.

Precisely. When I worked as a photographer I could never find a program for Linux that would do what Photomechanic and CaptureOne Pro and Photoshop did. Gimp? Really? Don't make me laugh on the worst day of my life. And Camera Bits, PhaseOne and Assobe never did see the need to make Linux versions of their software either—hmmm.... wonder why would that be.

The same for so many other software that I need to do actual work, not just play on my Linux "box" at being geeky.

 

[sablebrush52]

I was watching a demo of Photoshop 2024’s AI enhanced image replacement and extension capabilities and got some further insight into the ownership issue which seems to suggest that if the Adobe image library is used to create a synthesized background they have some authorship rights.
Don’t use their materials and it’s not an issue. But use their computationally heavy AI tools and the image gets done on their render farm, in which they have sunk a huge amount. Go past your allotted amount and you either purchase more usage or your render slows down considerably since your workstation is doing the work.

 

[woodsroad]

I was watching a demo of Photoshop 2024’s AI enhanced image replacement and extension capabilities and got some further insight into the ownership issue which seems to suggest that if the Adobe image library is used to create a synthesized background they have some authorship rights.
Don’t use their materials and it’s not an issue. But use their computationally heavy AI tools and the image gets done on their render farm, in which they have sunk a huge amount. Go past your allotted amount and you either purchase more usage or your render slows down considerably since your workstation is doing the work.

Then what are the boundaries of what is considered”AI”? Noise reduction? Resoltion enhancement? Clone/erase/spotting?

 

[renfield]

In a few versions Lightroom will ship with pictures of your family that you never took.

 

[fireground_piper]

Precisely. When I worked as a photographer I could never find a program for Linux that would do what Photomechanic and CaptureOne Pro and Photoshop did. Gimp? Really? Don't make me laugh on the worst day of my life. And Camera Bits, PhaseOne and Assobe never did see the need to make Linux versions of their software either—hmmm.... wonder why would that be.

The same for so many other software that I need to do actual work, not just play on my Linux "box" at being geeky.

I remember when KDE 3 came out and it was going to be the desktop that finally converted people haha.

At the time, 2001-2002, I maintained a Gentoo box doing the full compile install that took days and an Arch Linux box when it came out. arch was also supposed to be a windows converter because of the ease of package install and updates. It was great (compared to gentoo) but it was still Linux. I was a relatively heavy user of it at the time but even I could see it was always a day late and a dollar short for the mass user. I think that feeling is likely still applicable today and I haven’t used it in years.

 

[jpmcwjr]

Then what are the boundaries of what is considered”AI”? Noise reduction? Resoltion enhancement? Clone/erase/spotting?

Great question! All those things have been done in Photoshop for some time, as you know, but you had to choose the tool (s) and then know how to operate them to good effect.

Selection has markedly improved over the years, and now of course you can automate it, often with decent results. So, all I can say is, dunno. Certainly processing an image or several by machine into something else is AI, but a huge grey area exists in my mind.

 

[sablebrush52]

Then what are the boundaries of what is considered”AI”? Noise reduction? Resoltion enhancement? Clone/erase/spotting?

Lord knows. All of the above, plus using their AI enhanced tools for fabricating depth of field and depth of focus effects, along with using imagery from their library for background extension or replacement.

Looking at Topaz's suite of AI enhanced image processing tools it includes color and contrast rebalancing, noise reduction that doesn't also blur the image, so some sort of nuanced tonal averaging, etc, etc.

Some of this resembles what I used to do with badly degraded Ektachrome images by manually rebalancing the individual color channels to rebuild the faded out blues.

 

[Elric]

This is near word for word the discussion for Linux 20 years ago. Always so close! Never actually there for the common user.

It really depends on your use case. If you simply use your computer for surfing, email, shopping, word processing, etc, it works fine. If you use it for specialist purposes (like Jesse), it is likely too much of a chore.

 

[fireground_piper]

It really depends on your use case. If you simply use your computer for surfing, email, shopping, word processing, etc, it works fine. If you use it for specialist purposes (like Jesse), it is likely too much of a chore.

I don’t agree with that. The surfing, email, shopping, word processor using user doesn’t want to be bothered with the challenges of Linux and involvement needed to make it what you want. It’s the more technical user that can thrive in it because of their drive and interest.

 

[jpmcwjr]

And experience and savvy around operating systems.

I used to be more tech savvy that I am now. There are so many new, unimportant "improvements" that I can't possibly learn or use them all. I am glad that I don't have to use floppy disks, one for the O/S and one for date storage! That was 40 years ago!

Get a Mac; never go back!

 

[BingBong]

And experience and savvy around operating systems.

I used to be more tech savvy that I am now. There are so many new, unimportant "improvements" that I can't possibly learn or use them all. I am glad that I don't have to use floppy disks, one for the O/S and one for date storage! That was 40 years ago!

Get a Mac; never go back!

I bought a Macbook Pro years ago which, facing anything beyond word processing, ran so hot that I couldn't put it on my lap. Two grand, never again.

 

[bullet08]

CIA, and FBI was bad enough, now we have FMS?