Not true; pipe tobacco is less than a quarter of their business. If cigars disappear then they’re screwed.
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Not true; pipe tobacco is less than a quarter of their business. If cigars disappear then they’re screwed.
I understand that but the entire thing is an eco system. If you eat away at the edges you eventually get to the center. Its a good short term move but its long term consequences are not good. Most investors dont think that far.
After getting screwed on never being refunded for a $160 Nording Hunter Ram I returned nearly 3 years ago... I literally just got a stock up order from them (desperate times and I'm a sl*t for Magnum Opus, what can I say, lol) they sent me a package with 4 free MacBaren ceramic jars.
The packing was comical. It was a very large order, came in one single 10 cubic foot box. While they'll split 6 tins into 4 boxes sometimes, this one with about 24 tins, 6lbs of bulk and 4 ceramic jars and 2 pipes had a crap ton of pillow packs on the bottom then literally everything else thrown on top in a heap. 3 of the 4 jars were smashed even tho the box itself didn't show any signs of abnormal handling.
I just got an email back. I'm holding my breath that they'll make it right about just as much as I still am over the Nording...
The STG facility in Denmark has similar equipment, so I'm not sure if they'll move the Mac Baren one or not.
One thing to keep in mind... blends produced at Mac Baren's facility in Denmark don't necessarily go away altogether, even if they may be discontinued in a certain market (such as the U.S.)
Oh boy, you're a brave man coming back here today, sir. Either that or you don't actually work there and just have a personality disorder/get off on role-playing
Oh but he said that the Mac Baren blends, presumably like the Mac Baren HH blends, aren't really going away. They just look like they are going away.
Pardon, I was offline during the holidays. I'll post any replies on this thread going forward, but I did just post this on the announcement thread:
- The letter from the beginning of this thread is real
- It is for U.S.A. Sutliff retailers and wholesalers (which is to say that just because Mac Baren blend is being discontinued in the U.S. doesn't mean it's being discontinued globally)
- No private label products produced by Sutliff for sale in the U.S are being continued.
- I drove the decisions about what to do with the U.S. portfolio
- I don't want to put words into Jeremy's mouth, but suffice to say that the decisions I made were NOT the decisions Jeremy would have made
- Jeremy has been and continues to be a staunch advocate for the pipe smoking community
In that case can you with any specificity inform us as to what will and will not exist in the EU markets? That primarily means Germany since the rest of us situated in the EU get scraps.
Leonard - thank you for your efforts to answer our questions. Unfortunately, it seems that many people believe that venting means to wildly throw around disparaging accusations. They forget, that is what a brick wall is for and we would all be better off if they used that on their own heads. That said, of course no one should expect a business to go down in the depths of the ocean just to please a few band members who want to play a little longer. For tobacco, its to the life boats. Although STG will not be able to or won't be fulfilling some of the orders many have come to love, the information you are providing does allow those who use its data to then make alternative decisions going forward. This is helpful. Rants are simply self serving and only serve to shut down communication.
That's a bit harder to answer, partially because I'm not as familiar with some of the brands. There's a lot of private label in there which falls under another team's decision making. Perhaps you could give me examples of some of your favorite Mac Baren own brands/blends?
I would like to understand the thought process behind completely erasing every blend Sutliff produced for the U.S. market. To eliminate that many tobacco blends and create such a void in the pipe tobacco world seems to be a big "screw you" to pipe smokers.
I have to agree with you. I can't imagine that Sutliff - which Mac bought for 200 million if I recall correctly, didn't have some major market value to sell off to another company.
I don't think that anything Leonard or anyone else can say would make it feel any differently.
No, it won't. To call back to the series, Yellowstone, for corporations, the Train Station is not just a place, it is a way of life.
Great show. The Dutton ranch is looking like a pretty good metaphor for this whole situation rn. Slowly being chipped away from a dozen different outside forces while the drama and squabbles inside cause the beams to collapse in upon themselves lol
I still can't figure out how people didn't just see all the bodies at the bottom of the hill. It was like a scenic overlook for crying out loud.
Right. I did some research on the area and yes, it exists. Apparently, there are no roads, but surely some hikers must have stumbled over that way. I thought that was a weak part of the plot. Even in Dexter, some scuba divers eventually stumbled over his pile of bodies.
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