Prices Through the Years

[frozenchurchwarden]

Ha ha, okie dokie. Next time I am standing in line at one of these places, I’ll let them know that you think that they don’t know how to run their businesses.

"they don’t know how to run their businesses"
Yes, that is the primary cause of "Going Out Of Business", which as you are so fond of pointing out is what has happened to the majority of these offline only stores.

New marketing tools are widely available making commerce dramatically more efficient, and these business owners were too stubborn to put in the effort to make their business worthy of our money.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

"they don’t know how to run their businesses"
Yes, that is the primary cause of "Going Out Of Business", which as you are so fond of pointing out is what has happened to the majority of these offline only stores.

New marketing tools are widely available making commerce dramatically more efficient, and these business owners were too stubborn to put in the effort to make their business worthy of our money.

You're mixing arguments from different arguments, and not reading my entire posts. .
OK, so let's stick to your line of thinking. So, these places aren't worthy of your money. Then, as in the other hypothetical post about in which you are crossing this argument from... of which you are combining with this one... one day, you can no longer order online, mail order or receive tobacco in the mail. Then where are you? If your local pipe shop has gone out of business, you are SOL, right? Who's fault is that? Are you going to blame everyone else?

Now, in my previous post on this thread, I said that not every business has to have an online store and can still thrive. If they are packed out with people anyways, what do they care? Now, the reality of every post I've mad in this thread... I am not affiliated, nor privy to what is going on in the heads of any of these actual local businesses around me that sell cigars, pipes, and pipe tobaccos. I am just saying that not all pipe related businesses have to put their tobaccos online. All of the rest is just observations and reasoning. I went to two other pipe shops in the Savannah area a few weeks ago, and they had no online presence (other than just listings online), but because they have constant foot traffic, I'm pretty sure they could care less. They don't need to be worthy of your business. I stood in line and bought my $35 tin of Astleys, and enjoyed my vacation. They were packed with people, also enjoying their vacation and dropping money of them for giving us a place to congregate and smoke.

I am not telling anyone where or how they should shop for their stuff. But, aren't there some things you buy locally that you could get cheaper online? Does every store you go to have an online store? These are all rhetorical questions, because frankly, I also don't care how or where you spend your money.

 

[warren]

It's extremely interesting that some here think one business model should fit all businesses. Where does that idea come from?

 

[hauntedmyst]

Money = power, and Big Tobacco certainly has the former. How else to explain why the big guns from Big Tobacco were not convicted, publicly put in chains and led away to jail at their trial. Their guilt was overwhelmingly established before the proceedings.

Money is power.

Agree and Big Tobacco still has big power. If you want to see their reach, just go to any Walgreens and look behind the check out counter. What do you see? A wall of cigarettes. Five or six years ago you used to see vaping product taking away self space from cigarettes and growing in sales and in popularity. Vaping products weren't, and still for the most part, aren't made by large companies, though big tobacco has dipped their feet in the market. It's mostly mom and pop businesses. Then we saw a few incidents of tainted and or illegal vaping products used as an excuse to obliterate the sales of vaping tobacco reduction products from the market. So while Walgreens still sells cigarettes, a product known to have serious health consequences, they don't sell any vaping products. This in spite of the fact that the Public Health England (PHE) released a study six years ago that vaping is 95% safer than cigarettes. Money is power indeed.

 

[hawky454]

That’s as it should be. I tried explaining to newbies why making posts like that are poor form, but they’d get all butthurt by it. Now, I just avoid those threads, knowing whatever it was they were posting about would be gone before members could even read it. People don’t realize that we have more lurkers than members, and it doesn’t help their friends, the actual members at all.

100%

 

[saltedplug]

I like the information and analysis in this thread.

 

[frozenchurchwarden]

You're mixing arguments from different arguments, and not reading my entire posts. .

I read your entire post and the context was correct.

OK, so let's stick to your line of thinking. So, these places aren't worthy of your money. Then, as in the other hypothetical post about in which you are crossing this argument from... of which you are combining with this one... one day, you can no longer order online, mail order or receive tobacco in the mail. Then where are you? If your local pipe shop has gone out of business, you are SOL, right? Who's fault is that? Are you going to blame everyone else?

Yes a lot of people will wish they had local distributers should online access suddenly be cut off, but I have no reason to think those local shops won't pop up as soon as the market demands it.

Now, in my previous post on this thread, I said that not every business has to have an online store and can still thrive. If they are packed out with people anyways, what do they care?

You're the one saying B&M owners spit any time someone mentions Smokingpipes.com, so according to you, they definitely do care.

Now, the reality of every post I've mad in this thread... I am not affiliated, nor privy to what is going on in the heads of any of these actual local businesses around me that sell cigars, pipes, and pipe tobaccos. I am just saying that not all pipe related businesses have to put their tobaccos online. All of the rest is just observations and reasoning. I went to two other pipe shops in the Savannah area a few weeks ago, and they had no online presence (other than just listings online), but because they have constant foot traffic, I'm pretty sure they could care less. They don't need to be worthy of your business. I stood in line and bought my $35 tin of Astleys, and enjoyed my vacation. They were packed with people, also enjoying their vacation and dropping money of them for giving us a place to congregate and smoke.

I am not telling anyone where or how they should shop for their stuff.

That is the entire purpose of your second paragraph.

But, aren't there some things you buy locally that you could get cheaper online?

Generally no.

Does every store you go to have an online store?

Yes.

These are all rhetorical questions, because frankly, I also don't care how or where you spend your money.

Then stop acting like the sky is falling every time an old B&M shop goes out of business because the owners were too stubborn to adopt modern standards.

 

[fireground_piper]

It's extremely interesting that some here think one business model should fit all businesses. Where does that idea come from?

Indeed. It’s very interesting that business A spits at business B for using the benefits of the internet, which is a tool open to everyone, instead of following the model business A runs. I’m not sure where that mindset comes from either.

 

[warren]

I could give the answer to bother of our rhetorical questions but, it is an obvious and often repeated answer.

 

[Mr.Mike]

I only hoard one thing, and that's time spent with my kids. I can care less about tobacco.

 

[Terry Lennox]

This thread makes me think back to when Samuel Gawith tins were about $6.90 during SmokingPipes sales and all readily available. Think it was 2008 maybe.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

You're the one saying B&M owners spit any time someone mentions Smokingpipes.com, so according to you, they definitely do care.

Ha ha, you're assuming the reason for spitting in the floor. I probably should have elaborated for the slow thinkers. But, the reason Skip spits in the floor (and by spit,, I mean a metaphorical spit) is that he says that Laudsi only offers a a slightly smaller wholesale price that they offer online to retailer customers, so he doesn't carry C&D products nor GLP products anymore. He can't make any money if he can't keystone, or that is my interpretation of what details he does give. It has nothing to do with smokingpipes being an online retailer, just not a very good wholesaler, according to his reactions. But, I also like to make Skip's blood pressure go up by always asking when he is going to start carrying GLP blends when I visit.

I'm not acting like the sky is falling. You're just having a passionate unreasonable reaction to a hypothetical post.

The rest of the stuff you've posted is just to troll me, and has nothing to do with what I posted, nor this thread, which has gone way off the rails.

IBTL

 

[jpmcwjr]

Just.