Please Help Identify a Flavor

[BriarBrook]

Relatively new piper here... only been going regularly for the last year or so. I am predominately an aro smoker. I do a lot of sutliff vanilla custard, lane very cherry, and other heavily cased chocolates. One thing I notice is that half way through, the taste converts to a noticeably nutty, earthy flavor, away from whatever the tobacco is doused in (cherry, vanilla, and so on). I really enjoy this flavor that all of the aros I smoke seem to transition to. My initial thought was that this flavor is the base all of the tobaccos share, which I assumed to be burley. I am TERRIBLE about identifying notes, tastes, etc in my smokes. Following this assumption, I purchased some tins of 8 state burley, hoping for a pipeful of whatever I was getting in the last half of all the aros I smoke. THIS WAS NOT WHAT I GOT. Did not enjoy 8SB at all.

All of this being said, can anyone point me in the right direction? Is it burley, and I just started with the wrong blend? Or is it another tobacco? thank you!

 

[OldWill]

Very likely you are tasting the black cavendish which is often made with Maryland or Virginia tobaccos.
You're right to notice that ESB has none of that.
Anyway, black cavendish, in aromatics, usually also contains humectants (including propylene glycol). Many people describe their flavors as "Hostess Twinkie".
You'll probably find such background flavors in a wide range of aromatics.

 

[BriarBrook]

Very likely you are tasting the black cavendish which is often made with Maryland or Virginia tobaccos.
You're right to notice that ESB has none of that.
Anyway, black cavendish, in aromatics, usually also contains humectants (including propylene glycol). Many people describe their flavors as "Hostess Twinkie".
You'll probably find such background flavors in a wide range of aromatics.

thanks... would there be any straight black cavendish blends that encapsulate that pure flavor? Without the added flavors?

 

[OldWill]

Cornell and Diehl makes a Black Cavendish for blending that should suffice and it contains little or no humectant.
Cheers!

 

[anotherbob]

Relatively new piper here... only been going regularly for the last year or so. I am predominately an aro smoker. I do a lot of sutliff vanilla custard, lane very cherry, and other heavily cased chocolates. One thing I notice is that half way through, the taste converts to a noticeably nutty, earthy flavor, away from whatever the tobacco is doused in (cherry, vanilla, and so on). I really enjoy this flavor that all of the aros I smoke seem to transition to. My initial thought was that this flavor is the base all of the tobaccos share, which I assumed to be burley. I am TERRIBLE about identifying notes, tastes, etc in my smokes. Following this assumption, I purchased some tins of 8 state burley, hoping for a pipeful of whatever I was getting in the last half of all the aros I smoke. THIS WAS NOT WHAT I GOT. Did not enjoy 8SB at all.

All of this being said, can anyone point me in the right direction? Is it burley, and I just started with the wrong blend? Or is it another tobacco? thank you!

sounds pretty spot on. Before you said it, I was thinking the man is talking about burly. Try a couple burly blends. Including five brothers. It's one of my almost daily smokes. And yeah from what I have heard you started with the wrong blend. Though there are lots of great things to try even in the narrower confines of straight or nearly straight burly.

 

[pantsBoots]

Relatively new piper here... only been going regularly for the last year or so. I am predominately an aro smoker. I do a lot of sutliff vanilla custard, lane very cherry, and other heavily cased chocolates. One thing I notice is that half way through, the taste converts to a noticeably nutty, earthy flavor, away from whatever the tobacco is doused in (cherry, vanilla, and so on). I really enjoy this flavor that all of the aros I smoke seem to transition to. My initial thought was that this flavor is the base all of the tobaccos share, which I assumed to be burley. I am TERRIBLE about identifying notes, tastes, etc in my smokes. Following this assumption, I purchased some tins of 8 state burley, hoping for a pipeful of whatever I was getting in the last half of all the aros I smoke. THIS WAS NOT WHAT I GOT. Did not enjoy 8SB at all.

All of this being said, can anyone point me in the right direction? Is it burley, and I just started with the wrong blend? Or is it another tobacco? thank you!

8 State Burley has a good portion of Oriental tobaccos in it, so I'd recommend trying something with more Burley and no Orientals.

 

[Ahi Ka]

Try d&r two timer. Amphora burley blend and if you can get it ps312 toasted burley. All of these remind me of what you are talking about. Any of the OTCs (sir Walter Raleigh etc) would be similar too

 

[workman]

Relatively new piper here... only been going regularly for the last year or so. I am predominately an aro smoker. I do a lot of sutliff vanilla custard, lane very cherry, and other heavily cased chocolates. One thing I notice is that half way through, the taste converts to a noticeably nutty, earthy flavor, away from whatever the tobacco is doused in (cherry, vanilla, and so on). I really enjoy this flavor that all of the aros I smoke seem to transition to. My initial thought was that this flavor is the base all of the tobaccos share, which I assumed to be burley. I am TERRIBLE about identifying notes, tastes, etc in my smokes. Following this assumption, I purchased some tins of 8 state burley, hoping for a pipeful of whatever I was getting in the last half of all the aros I smoke. THIS WAS NOT WHAT I GOT. Did not enjoy 8SB at all.

All of this being said, can anyone point me in the right direction? Is it burley, and I just started with the wrong blend? Or is it another tobacco? thank you!

I'm sure it's burley.
Mac Baren's Golden Blend or HH Burley Flake are pure burley blends without topping.
Amphora Full Aroma is a burley based aromatic that's probably a bit lighter on the topping than the ones you are used to.

 

[didimauw]

Yes I'd agree it's not the burley you are having an issue with. I got excited when I heard about 8 state burley, untill I realized that there seemed to be very little burley in it. Atleast for my tastes. I believe burley gets overpowered quickly by things like Latakia, Virginia's, and even cavendish. So if you are looking to try burley blends, my suggestion would be to avoid other condiment leaves.

 

[kcghost]

Ithinkk you might to take a moment to realize that virtually all tobaccos have at least a little something for a casing.

 

[mikefu]

I'd advise trying a lightly topped codger Burley, like Carter Hall or Sir Walter Raleigh (non aromatic) and see if they are more akin to your taste, along with some unflavored black cavendish so you can see what the tobacco itself tastes like, without the heavy casing and toppings of the aromatics you are smoking. Then you can branch out from there if you like what you taste. And smoke it SLOW, so it doesn't overheat and taste like hot nasty. Same goes for any tobacco.

 

[BriarBrook]

Thanks for the replies... I think I will do as suggested and pick up some straight burley and straight black cavendish. Hopefully, that will nail things down. Thinking C&D Black Cavendish and maybe Pegasus?

 

[Ahi Ka]

Pegasus is an excellent choice. I’m not sure what C&Ds black cavendish is, but if it is the same as their natural green river burley cavendish, then you will be able to taste that in the Pegasus blend, and could even portion some out to smoke by itself.

if you have the budget and motivation, id consider a nutty OTC/codger burley blend and some bulk Macbaren golden extra (same as golden blend), along side the Pegasus. That would give you a good idea of the different directions simple burley blends can go in.

 

[karam]

I thought “burley base” from the description, then again I don’t smoke aromatics other than Lakelands, and black Cavendish tastes like hot air to me. Straight burley with a bit of sweetening (a bit, not drenched) is a very nice smoke from time to time.

 

[Aomalley27]

I don’t get “nutty” from black Cavendish.
Is the flavor more “grilled corn”??? If so, it’s burley. Most American Aromatics use burley as a base, most Cavendish in the States is also processed using Burley; vs European blends that use Virginia to make their Cavendish.

 

[Epip Oc'Cabot]

Thanks for the replies... I think I will do as suggested and pick up some straight burley and straight black cavendish. Hopefully, that will nail things down. Thinking C&D Black Cavendish and maybe Pegasus?

Mike’s idea of a “codger” burley like SWR (original) or Prince Albert (regular) may be exactly what you are wishing….. both have a “nutty” aspect and are pleasant (and relatively inexpensive). Carter Hall could also be an option, though in my experience, CH sometimes exhibits an unpleasant (to me) peppery taste/feel.

 

[n_irwin]

If you end up liking the cavendish, you could give Mac Baren Black Ambrosia a shot. It’s a Virginia cavendish with a bit of topping

 

[chopper]

Thanks for the replies... I think I will do as suggested and pick up some straight burley and straight black cavendish. Hopefully, that will nail things down. Thinking C&D Black Cavendish and maybe Pegasus?

You might want to also try experimenting by mixing some Black Cavendish with Burley codger blends like Carter Hall.
Have you tried Butternut Burley? [Get the 4noggins version - much cheaper than the Scottys BB]
One of my favourite aromatics.

 

[PipeIT]

Whatever blend you might be trying out, or forget the makeup of it, be sure to Google the blend, and then look for links pointing to Tobacco Reviews to read all about the blends.

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