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elvishrunes

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I’d like to weigh in as a newer smoker. I often find that the lighter colored virginias are what gives me tough bite. Especially when they haven’t been pressed in any way. From my experience in trying out new blends and from what I can gather online in my quest to educate myself about all things pipes and tobacco I’ve come to believe that anything pressed into a cake, flake, or plug is going to have less rough edges, will have more flavor, and will most likely cause less tongue bite. If I’m wrong in any way then maybe one of the more experienced Piping wizards here will chime in and tell me I’m wrong and why. This type of thread is exactly why I love being a member here. Great people on a quest to learn their own lessons asking great questions that warrant great responses. These get me thinking about my own experiences and inspire me to respond and hopefully get some feedback myself.

BigDragonfly I hope you find what it is your pallet prefers. It’s always interesting to me to hear what others experiences are. And I hope you don’t mind that I’ve sort of asked a question of my own in your thread. Happy piping sir! 💯🍻
You’re probably correct, the worst bite I ever had was after ribbon cut Virginias, now I primarily smoke flakes, plugs, ect except for English and old blends in my cellar…

I only buy flakes and cakes for other reasons; depth of flavour is unmatched and richer, thicker mouth smoke feel, longer burn time, longer storage, i also enjoy breaking up the tobacco…. I used to scoff at flakes and think they were a waste of time for “professionals”, I was wrong. Now add less bite to the list.
 

Steddy

Lifer
Sep 18, 2021
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Interesting discovery. I stopped at the local shop again and was allowed to sample some other blends. I tried a straight red Virginia, a cube cut Burley, and another blend that I think had Virginia, Burley, Cavendish, and maybe a bit of Oriental. I left with 2 ounces of Burley and realized that I'm not crazy about Virginia it at least blends that have a lot of Virginia in them. I was told that my cube cut might have a bit of Virginia in it and perhaps a bit of casing but I couldn't taste any casing at all. I think I'm going to stick with Burley dominant blends for now. I might have to check into SWR while I'm at it. View attachment 353996
Cornell and Diehl - Pegasus.
 
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BigDragongly

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Through some additional self-discovery, I realize now that I am not looking for sweetness, natural or otherwise, in my tobacco. Earthiness and nuttiness seem like good traits for a tobacco to have for me. I've been playing around with the codger blends recently and when comparing Prince Albert to Carter Hall, PA stomps a giant mudhole in CH as far as my taste buds are concerned. I'm unsure if that's because of that noticeable increase of Virginia that is blended into the CH or because of the additional casing or topping that was added or perhaps a bit of both.

It would be nice to find a bulk blend like PA with a bit more complexity and without the ashiness that comes at the bottom of the bowl. It should have a lower VA content than what's in CH.

How does the % of VA in Pegasus compare to PA or CH?

I still haven't tried a dark fired Kentucky yet and have a feeling it would add a bit of the complexity that I'm looking for. Maybe even if I just added a bit to my PA? Open to a couple more suggestions. Bulk blends only please.

Thanks
 
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MisterBadger

Part of the Furniture Now
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Depends on the Perique. Some are peppery, others are fruity.
- Also depends on how much Perique is in a blend. For a personal example, I find Sam Gawith's Cabbie's Mixture has too much for my palate, whereas Rattray's Hal O' The Wynd has about the right amount. As HeavyLeadBelly said, sampler packs are the way to go to broaden one's experience of different blends and avoid spending good money on a quantity of stuff you find you don't really like.
 

Pooh-Bah

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I still haven't tried a dark fired Kentucky yet and have a feeling it would add a bit of the complexity that I'm looking for. Maybe even if I just added a bit to my PA? Open to a couple more suggestions. Bulk blends only please.

Thanks
C&D and Gawith both have pure Kentucky available in bulk if you just want to experiment with it straight / as a condiment.
Haven't tried any of Gawith's non-aromatic options, but Dark Bird's Eye and Dark Plug both sound very nice.
 
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OverMountain

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Hello. I took up piping for a short period of time a handful of years ago and really only got around to trying some aromatics which never tasted nearly as good as they smelled and tended to burn my tongue. Now that I'm considering a return, my focus is going to be non aromatics. I have gone through reviews and recommendations and have come up with the following for blends it I think I would like to start off with. I realize this is a year mileage may vary type of scenario but just wanted to get some feedback on the four that I have chosen and if it might even be better to just choose two of them instead and also to check my reasoning for pipe selection as well.

1. I chose two English style blends:
-Sutliff Tobacco Company Crumble Kake English #1
-Peterson Early Morning Pipe

2. And two Virginia style blends:
-Peterson Flake
-Mac Baren Capstan Original Navy Cut

I suppose I still need to figure out if I want cake flake or ready rub. I'll probably watch a couple more videos on that a little bit later.

3. The plan is to get two inexpensive Missouri Meerschaum corn cob pipes to try the for tobacco's. One pipe to try the Virginias and the other pipe to try the Englishes. Does that seem like a reasonable approach?

Thank you

After I learned to enjoy english blends, I realized I knew how to taste aromatics.
 
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BigDragongly

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Finally got around to ordering several 1oz samples. I said before that I didn't want any aromatic blends but then I tried some SWR-A which is fairly good so I decided to try to keep an open mind and try some others that would likely be of higher quality. The SWR-A was BONE dry out of the package and I ended up steaming it in a metal strainer over a boiling pot of water for 1 minute. Even that treatment didn't rehydrate it that much.

Gawith Hoggarth & Co.
Dark Bird's Eye Vintage Cut

Cornell & Diehl
Old Joe Krantz Blue Label

Cornell & Diehl
Berry Good

Cornell & Diehl
Pegasus

Lane Limited
HGL

Cornell & Diehl
Nutty Irishman

Cornell & Diehl
Belmont Station

Cornell & Diehl
Engine #113
 

BogOakPiper

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Finally got around to ordering several 1oz samples. I said before that I didn't want any aromatic blends but then I tried some SWR-A which is fairly good so I decided to try to keep an open mind and try some others that would likely be of higher quality. The SWR-A was BONE dry out of the package and I ended up steaming it in a metal strainer over a boiling pot of water for 1 minute. Even that treatment didn't rehydrate it that much.

Gawith Hoggarth & Co.
Dark Bird's Eye Vintage Cut

Cornell & Diehl
Old Joe Krantz Blue Label

Cornell & Diehl
Berry Good

Cornell & Diehl
Pegasus

Lane Limited
HGL

Cornell & Diehl
Nutty Irishman

Cornell & Diehl
Belmont Station

Cornell & Diehl
Engine #113
I use piece of brokenclay pot. Soak in the water and drop in the jar for a day or two, depends how dry the tobacco is. Works fine for me
 

JoburgB2

Can't Leave
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By my humble opinion, think about starting with a filter. When you feel, you're sloww enough, try without filter. Yes the filter reduce some flavour, but reduces the thongue bite. And when you're thongue burns, you'll not feel any flavour at all anyway.
Regarding the suggestion for a novice to start with a filter pipe to lessen (but not eliminate?) tongue bite, that might work, anecdotally. I don’t normally use filters, but will do so every so often if the pipe I select takes a filter. Some Missouri Meerschaum-brand corn cob pipes come pre-loaded with a Medico-style 6mm paper filter. I just leave them in for the first several bowlfuls, until soiled then remove and dispose. On a couple of occasions, while in the US, when visiting long-distance family, I found I had forgotten to bring along my pipes and tobaccos. A quick trip to the nearest drugstore to pick up a MM Legend Rob Roy or 5th Avenue cob (with a filter) and something like a pouch of Captain Black. There was subsequently a lot more smoking and puffing than usual, sitting outside on warm summer evenings, socialising and laughing and smoking long into the night. Bowl after bowl. Therefore, more smoking of a drugstore aromatic in a short period of time, but no noticeable tongue bite discomfort the day after, which is contrary to what I expected. Maybe the temporary use of the filter did help? Then again, the filter does impede the draw somewhat, so one accommodates by drawing with a bit more force, no?
 
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BigDragongly

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Regarding the suggestion for a novice to start with a filter pipe to lessen (but not eliminate?) tongue bite, that might work, anecdotally. I don’t normally use filters, but will do so every so often if the pipe I select takes a filter. Some Missouri Meerschaum-brand corn cob pipes come pre-loaded with a Medico-style 6mm paper filter. I just leave them in for the first several bowlfuls, until soiled then remove and dispose. On a couple of occasions, while in the US, when visiting long-distance family, I found I had forgotten to bring along my pipes and tobaccos. A quick trip to the nearest drugstore to pick up a MM Legend Rob Roy or 5th Avenue cob (with a filter) and something like a pouch of Captain Black. There was subsequently a lot more smoking and puffing than usual, sitting outside on warm summer evenings, socialising and laughing and smoking long into the night. Bowl after bowl. Therefore, more smoking of a drugstore aromatic in a short period of time, but no noticeable tongue bite discomfort the day after, which is contrary to what I expected. Maybe the temporary use of the filter did help? Then again, the filter does impede the draw somewhat, so one accommodates by drawing with a bit more force, no?
A salesman at a local b&m store that I visit told me that filters don't help prevent tongue bite at all. Perhaps that is just one man's experience, though.
 
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Epip Oc'Cabot

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You mentioned SWR-A….. perhaps you would like traditional SWR even more. It is cube cut and is very nice, IMO.
 

BigDragongly

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You mentioned SWR-A….. perhaps you would like traditional SWR even more. It is cube cut and is very nice, IMO.
I tried some of that about a month ago and thought it was pretty good at the time but then I tried some more just recently after having smoked several bowls of Prince Albert and prefer Prince Albert. Prince Albert is far from perfect but I think it's a pretty honest smoke. It tends to get bitter near the end of the bowl.
 
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BogOakPiper

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A salesman at a local b&m store that I visit told me that filters don't help prevent tongue bite at all. Perhaps that is just one man's experience, though.
My suggestion is, buy one inexpensive con cob with a 6mm filter and try it for yoursenf.
Personaly in cob I use charcoal filter, and balsa wood in some 9mm pipes. Though the balsawood only collect the moist but not reduce any of draw or flavours. Brilliant sistem.
It's all try & errors. You'll figure it out what's best for your liking.
 

Epip Oc'Cabot

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I tried some of that about a month ago and thought it was pretty good at the time but then I tried some more just recently after having smoked several bowls of Prince Albert and prefer Prince Albert. Prince Albert is far from perfect but I think it's a pretty honest smoke. It tends to get bitter near the end of the bowl.
Indeed! PA is very, very pleasant! I like both PA and SWR original and they are both mainstays for me.
 
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Dr Drago

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I have found that mixing PA with SWR-A 2:1 yields a pleasant smoke - even moreso than either alone.
Codgers have there place for a reason. Easy packing, easy lighting, good flavor, and few complications. Pretty readily available too.
Makes them classic smokes that stand the test of time.

Sure, old timers love them but I think most beginners also do well to start off with them for the above reasons.
 
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BigDragongly

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I've gone through at least one bowl of each of the nine one-ounce samples that I ordered and easily find C&D's Belmont Station to be the most enjoyable pipe tobacco that I've had. I'm pretty sure that DFK is the jam that I've been looking for. The ingredient was listed in two other blends that came is the order, C&D's Engine #113 and GH&C's Dark Bird's Eye Vintage Cut. 113 has a topping or casing that I don't like and the DFK isn't able to shine through that for me. The same problem was present with the Dark Bird's Eye. The lakelands essence was the star of that show and there wasn't enough Kentucky in that to make me think that I wasn't smoking a slightly perfumed codger blend.

I'm definitely interested in trying some more DFK blends, bulk only for now. In looking through some descriptions of different blends that popped up when searching for DFK blends, I found this description of a particular tobacco and have a question about it.

The tobacco:

"Sutliff's 245 ZBC is a blend of Dark-Fired Kentucky tobacco that's been steamed to produce a delightful Cavendish. Topped with flavors of caramel, cream, and vanilla, 245 ZBC is mellow smoke with a delicious aroma."

The question:

Does cavendish that is made from DFK retain the deep flavor that you get from a straight DFK or is that rich dark flavor lost in the process?

What DFK blends, preferably without Latakia, would you recommend?

Thanks!