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Hillcrest

Lifer
Dec 3, 2021
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Tobacco and its cultivation were introduced in China in circa 1550 and cigarettes circa 1800. First brought by sailors to the east. Those are tobacco pipes. There are books written on this topic and its history. 60% of China are smokers today and while they are trying to ban or curtail it they are not doing so by force but by self policing by the industry and changing the cultural aspects of it. Its all online on the internet. The gentleman with the wand and bucket appears to be planting seeds or watering plants to me but that's just a guess.
 

Hillcrest

Lifer
Dec 3, 2021
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Connecticut, USA
Book update: I figured the auction would go high but I never expected this book to fetch £628 ($819)!

There seems to have been a recent surge of interest in antiquarian travel/foreign history books, I just hope they retain their value :)

Regards,

Jay.
There are many professional photographers who collect old colorized prints and old colorized photos and books. I had to sell one once (Japan photos 1870s) that was appraised at $600 and sold for $3200 on ebay. It was battle between a photographer in California and one in France. France won. They will only go up in value in a digitized world.
 
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mawnansmiff

Lifer
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There are many professional photographers who collect old colorized prints and old colorized photos and books. I had to sell one once (Japan photos 1870s) that was appraised at $600 and sold for $3200 on ebay. It was battle between a photographer in California and one in France. France won. They will only go up in value in a digitized world.
Sadly, many antique books that have illustrations, especially those with maps, are bought by art dealers who happily strip the book of all illustrations to sell them on individually.

The trade in early maps is a very vigorous one.

A case in point, a few weeks ago I bought a copy of Camden's Britannia, (first Gibson edition of 1695) from a well known map dealer here in the UK.

This book is a huge one, elephant folio, about 18 inches by 12 by 4 inches and originally contained about 50 glorious maps of the counties of Britain. A good copy of this book sells for several thousand pounds....with the maps.....but a lot less without.....mine came without the maps but still had the other illustrations.

So, oftentimes dealers buy these book simply to butcher them for their pictures....something genuine book lovers view as bordering on a cultural crime.

The maps from my copy of Britannia the guy has for sale now, prices vary from £200 to £350 per map!

All very sad really.

Regards,

Jay.
 
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Hillcrest

Lifer
Dec 3, 2021
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Sadly, many antique books that have illustrations, especially those with maps, are bought by art dealers who happily strip the book of all illustrations to sell them on individually.

The trade in early maps is a very vigorous one.

A case in point, a few weeks ago I bought a copy of Camden's Britannia, (first Gibson edition of 1695) from a well known map dealer here in the UK.

This book is a huge one, elephant folio, about 18 inches by 12 by 4 inches and originally contained about 50 glorious maps of the counties of Britain. A good copy of this book sells for several thousand pounds....with the maps.....but a lot less without.....mine came without the maps but still had the other illustrations.

So, oftentimes dealers buy these book simply to butcher them for their pictures....something genuine book lovers view as bordering on a cultural crime.

The maps from my copy of Britannia the guy has for sale now, prices vary from £200 to £350 per map!

All very sad really.

Regards,

Jay.
Maps have historically been the equivalent of gold to sailors. During the 14-19th century pirates and privateers would go after the maps first when boarding ships. Today, another shame of this continued piracy is that most of those maps can be obtained digitally and look better than the originals. As for your seller ... it might be time to think about whether to continue to do business with him. (See my signature quote.) But that's up to you. I suspect you want to preserve the beauty of a prior age and artistry. A tough choice for anyone. Good luck in your continued efforts. Tempus Fugit, Momento Mori !
 
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Lifer
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Austria used to have a law back in the 18th c that entitled (maybe even required) people to beat down anyone caught smoking tobacco. It was to build a sense of community and camaraderie... sort of like the forum. puffy
Oh. Austria. I thought Aussie government started their hate for tobacco earlier than we thought. Wrong continent.
 

mawnansmiff

Lifer
Oct 14, 2015
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Sunny Cornwall, UK.
Maps have historically been the equivalent of gold to sailors. During the 14-19th century pirates and privateers would go after the maps first when boarding ships. Today, another shame of this continued piracy is that most of those maps can be obtained digitally and look better than the originals. As for your seller ... it might be time to think about whether to continue to do business with him. (See my signature quote.) But that's up to you. I suspect you want to preserve the beauty of a prior age and artistry. A tough choice for anyone. Good luck in your continued efforts. Tempus Fugit, Momento Mori !
Hillcrest, these map dealers generally sell for the artistic value of the maps, they look fantastic framed. I even have a few on my walls though none of mine were extracted from books, they were printed as standalone maps.

Regards having to think about doing further business with the guy I mentioned, my purchase was a one off from him, I got my Britannia for a very good price.....he just wanted rid of it as he doesn't usually deal in books.

And yes, I would like to preserve the beauty of a bygone age but I'm a realist too!

Regards,

Jay.
 

Hillcrest

Lifer
Dec 3, 2021
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Connecticut, USA
Indeed. For opium smoking a special pipe has been developed in China with a miniscule bowl at the top of a spherical so-called damper in which the solids of the smoke precipitate. The smoke is inhaled through a stem of almost half a meter.
I accept that is true and stand correctedalthough they are also used for tobacco which has a long history there. Do those use 6mm or 9mm filters ? Balsa or charcoal or bamboo ? ;) I would imagine tobacco tastes better ! Especially Old Toby !
 

Hillcrest

Lifer
Dec 3, 2021
3,899
19,997
Connecticut, USA
Hillcrest, these map dealers generally sell for the artistic value of the maps, they look fantastic framed. I even have a few on my walls though none of mine were extracted from books, they were printed as standalone maps.

Regards having to think about doing further business with the guy I mentioned, my purchase was a one off from him, I got my Britannia for a very good price.....he just wanted rid of it as he doesn't usually deal in books.

And yes, I would like to preserve the beauty of a bygone age but I'm a realist too!

Regards,

Jay.
I understand ....some unscrupulous 'dealers' will remove the nib from a several hundred pound antique fountain pen just to extract the few grams of gold and sell the pen off without the nib ruining its value. A disgrace ! Best wishes, Jon
 
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Dec 3, 2021
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Sadly, many antique books that have illustrations, especially those with maps, are bought by art dealers who happily strip the book of all illustrations to sell them on individually.

The trade in early maps is a very vigorous one.

A case in point, a few weeks ago I bought a copy of Camden's Britannia, (first Gibson edition of 1695) from a well known map dealer here in the UK.

This book is a huge one, elephant folio, about 18 inches by 12 by 4 inches and originally contained about 50 glorious maps of the counties of Britain. A good copy of this book sells for several thousand pounds....with the maps.....but a lot less without.....mine came without the maps but still had the other illustrations.

So, oftentimes dealers buy these book simply to butcher them for their pictures....something genuine book lovers view as bordering on a cultural crime.

The maps from my copy of Britannia the guy has for sale now, prices vary from £200 to £350 per map!

All very sad really.

Regards,

Jay.
It has saddened me when I've seen dealers break apart books to sell individual plates. I understand it's more profitable to sell the separate parts compared to the single whole, but seems wrong to me. I know some people justify it when the binding is in terrible shape. I know some people will hand colour their plates because they sell better than plain black and white (who is going to test pigment?)

With modern first editions, dust jackets often get married to books. Not all dealers will describe the jacket as "supplied." I prefer the jacket the be the one that came with the book, especially in the case of association copies of a book inscribed by an author. I'd rather have the lesser jacket, warts and all, if it belongs to that book.
 
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