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Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
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Humansville Missouri
Good morning y'all.

Just wondering.
What is your approach when restoring a pipe?

Do you try to maintain the original painting at any cost, or do you change the pipes dramatically to your liking?

I am thinking here of pipes for personal use, not for sale.
I own over a hundred Lee pipes, and the early ones, if stained, the stain is so deep it can’t be removed with steel wool. Lee must have boiled the briar in a stain.

With lesser quality pipes it’s usually easy to remove the stain, which often then reveals flaws.
 
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Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
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Humansville Missouri
@telescopes is gonna have a field day with this
A little while back somebody who restores pipes tried to remove the stain from a Lee. It took a lot of sandpaper and elbow grease and he declared he’d not do that again.:)

A Lee was a production line product. You see video of Dunhill workers firing off stain between stainings, and my bet is Lee had a better and faster staining system. However he did it, the early stained ones are stained extremely deep.

On the very late stamped star Lees, the stain comes off easily with steel wool. The very last Lees abandoned the screw stem in favor of the cheaper common push stem, as well.

But even the last Lees have a distinctive sweet flavor while breaking in.
 

torthur

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Oct 4, 2022
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Gdańsk, Poland
@Ahi Ka
This one?


Another thing learned. Dump in acetone for a little while. I was also rubbing with soaked cloth. Thanks! :ROFLMAO:
 

Ahi Ka

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Feb 25, 2020
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Yep that’s the one! I used a small container which would hold the pipe snug in the direction I wanted it. This meant that the damp cloth soaked in acetone would only tackle one section at a time.

I’m actually thinking about stripping the stain off this Pete completely at some stage.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
4,960
14,360
Humansville Missouri
Briar Lee, please, please stop acting coy!

You know why the stain is so deep on those "Pipes by Lee". It is because of the porosity of the briar he used.

Ruminations on the Porosity of Briar​

I found the thread where the guy took a Dremel tool to a Lee Three Star:


The reason Lee had his own pipe company which in the day sold the most expensive factory pipes on earth and I never will, is Lee was a complete genius on how to make pipes and I’m not, nor ever will be.

Lee pipes came in a statin finish, not glossy like a cheap polyester suit.

If a Lee was stained (only some of the cheaper grades were below Four Star) the stain also served to fill pits and pores in the briar.

How De Do Dat?
 
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ssjones

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If a Lee was stained (only some of the cheaper grades were below Four Star) the stain also served to fill pits and pores in the briar.

How De Do Dat?
Stain will never "fill pits and pores" (puty fills), darker stains can make a pit/pore/flow be less noticeable.


When it comes to "original stain" - most of us do not have the materials to properly match the stain of a collectible factory pipe. We can get close. I keep four stains on hand:
- black
- Medium Brown
- Dark Brown
- Burgundy
I can mix those to APPROXIMATE a factory stain.

George D once told me that he has close to 100 stains (I think it was that number), which allows him to PERFECTLY match a collectible factory stain. If I know George, he has "recipes" on how he does that for the various factory finishes.

I'm not sure anyone else has that level of detail to match a factory stain.
 

torthur

Might Stick Around
Oct 4, 2022
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Gdańsk, Poland
Hey,

I wont make another topic, but I'll put my restoration adventures in here.

I'm during work on couple of pipes, and I have a question.
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Do any of you know how can I fill this gap?

I've experimented with some putty, but it keeps chipping off.
 
Dec 3, 2021
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Pennsylvania & New York
Hey,

I wont make another topic, but I'll put my restoration adventures in here.

I'm during work on couple of pipes, and I have a question.
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Do any of you know how can I fill this gap?

I've experimented with some putty, but it keeps chipping off.
If it weren’t on the edge, cyno with briar dust might be something to use. Given you’re dealing with an edge, briar dust with epoxy could work—you’d have to roughen the surface so the epoxy can grip, build it up, and gently file down after curing. @georged would have a better solution.
 
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torthur

Might Stick Around
Oct 4, 2022
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Gdańsk, Poland
If it weren’t on the edge, cyno with briar dust might be something to use. Given you’re dealing with an edge, briar dust with epoxy could work—you’d have to roughen the surface so the epoxy can grip, build it up, and gently file down after curing. @georged would have a better solution.
Epoxy is a good idea, but I don't have any on hand (another thing I need to buy).

I've decided to sand it down. Little bit shorter, but no worries :)

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ssjones

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If it weren’t on the edge, cyno with briar dust might be something to use. Given you’re dealing with an edge, briar dust with epoxy could work—you’d have to roughen the surface so the epoxy can grip, build it up, and gently file down after curing. @georged would have a better solution.
George has a you-tube video on this solution, it doesn't involve glue, but rather properly creating two new surfaces that mate.