Oops! Phillip Morris Goes to Loopyville
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Their strategy is worldwide. Right now they represent only 15% of the cigarette market. They have been pouring billions into these alternative smokeless technologies and want to encourage public, health insurance and government pressure to reduce and ban cigarette smoking. Their alternative technologies consist two different liquid and one tobacco saturated paper product. Their research headquarters where this is being developed is in Switzerland and their name is Philip Morris International, not Philip Morris USA. They want a smoke free future so they can gain a greater than 15% share of the market as their competitors are not investing as much, nor are they as far along in the smoke free technology. These changes are not anticipated to happen overnight.
Carbon Dioxide is a limiting nutrient. The scarcity of this essential gas is why the present biomass is so much less than during the carboniferous period. It may be Homo sapiens Manifest Destiny to save this planet from turning into a dead ice ball. I know of no other species with the ingenuity to tap all of the buried carbon and save life from extinction. Plants are sickly due to the current low levels, as if they were asphyxiating.
@brightleaf: Yeah, imo that's a lot closer to the real science of the matter...as opposed to the BS "they" keep peddling to the public to justify global carbon taxes.
Could it be why the Bible refers to 666 as the "number of mankind"? The atomic number of carbon.
True...that's what we are physically anyway...our animal bodies...the beast.
Could it be why the Bible refers to 666 as the "number of mankind"? The atomic number of carbon.
I totally understand your point. OK, let's say in cigarette smoking vs vaping context, the former is the old-fashioned and the latter is the futuristic one. Or we can call the former as the new old-fashioned
My browser won't show me the article, but to the extent that I catch the drift, PM is like other large corporations that amass such cash reserves, the board of directors and stock holders feel that they can't afford to stay in the original business, so they buy into other industries, derivatives, hedge funds, etc. where the "real" money is, because they can afford to, and can't afford not to. They're not tobacco men and women, they're venture capitalists. Probably some of the management "thinkers" believe this is a wonderful adaptation. They aren't spending a lot of time fretting about the feelings of pipe smokers.
Here are two sentences from the book Public Opinion, Public Policy, and Smoking: The Transformation of American Attitudes and Cigarette Use, 1890–2016 by Thomas Marshall
The author explores the history and causes of tobacco legislation. What was found was that only when big tobacco supported change did any significant tobacco legislation pass.
As can be seen Philip Morris didn't suddenly go loopyville but has instead been planning this market coup for a long time. Their combined efforts with our government to form legislation and monopolize the vaping market is becoming more and more obvious.
The author explores the history and causes of tobacco legislation. What was found was that only when big tobacco supported change did any significant tobacco legislation pass.
As can be seen Philip Morris didn't suddenly go loopyville but has instead been planning this market coup for a long time. Their combined efforts with our government to form legislation and monopolize the vaping market is becoming more and more obvious.
Who knows what they are going to do next. I have often wondered were it will all end up - perhaps in ten years this place will be 'Pipes Vape-Magazine'and we will all be discussing the new Mixture 79 liquid for our E-Dunhill pipe or E-Cutty in my case and getting ready for the 'Big Chicago E-Pipe Show' or something worse.
I hope not. They're not specifically concerned with pipe smokers. If growers and manufacturers could somehow find a direct connection with each other to safeguard pipe tobacco we could go our separate ways, unfortunately their war on cigarettes and the associated tobacco industry drags us into the fray. GMO tobacco is also tied into this from my research. With so many VIPs (politicians and insiders) investing in stock, the future they want to manipulate needs to go in their financial favor. Advertising is the only thing that sways public opinion on these issues according to the book previously cited. Once we see government and private ad campaigns promoting vaping we will know they are stepping up the pace in the war. I wouldn't be surprised if tax dollars are funding NIH vaping studies as we speak. This is something they want to force down our lungs.
A friend of mine who has just returned from Russia told me that they were advertising this new iqos (heat-not-burn tobacco product device of PM) thing in Russia like crazy. Every cigarette smoker is switching to it and for your information Russia is a huge country of cigarette smokers. And guess what, it costs more than a normal cigarette pack in total. And in most countries advertising a tobacco product is prohibited, but not the device that's burning the tobacco product.
I mentioned the possibility of the National Institute of Health conducting human trials on vaping and GMO Low-Nicotine cigarettes, and indeed here is one such example of them being tested for mutual benefits during use of both products on the same person Clinical Trials In fact, they are collaborating with the FDA on this one. One thing to keep in mind about human trials is that the Doctor that runs them gets paid very well. But like all businesses, they don't stay in business unless they produce the results their customers want to see.
Why would the FDA and NIH be working on these trials? Well currently the Affordable Care Act has low-nicotine and vaping in the same category as smoking regular cigarettes, and there is a financial penalty that is added to smoker's/vaper's insurance premium. In order to insure the success of their investments these products need a legal edge.
Their investments? Yes.
Here are a couple of links that reference our current FDA Commissioner's financial connections with vaping
prnewswire
“KURE Corp., one of the fastest growing companies in the vape and e-cigarette industry in the United States, announces the completion of $4.7 million in capital financing from institutional and accredited investors. T.R. Winston & Company of Los Angeles, California acted as the placement agent”
nytimes
“Financial disclosure documents show Dr. Gottlieb made more than $3 million during 2016 and through March 1 of this year, including $1.85 million from T.R. Winston”
And these PipeMagazine links concerning GMO Low-Nicotine cigarettes and their federally supported research (universities that receive federal student loans) that gives private companies (with stock to invest in) the patent rights
PipesMagazine1
PipesMagazine2
What does the press want us to think about the changing of the laws concerning vaping and GMO cigarettes? Look at this quote “While Gottlieb’s acknowledgment that non-combustible nicotine products potentially offer a life-saving alternative to cigarettes for millions of smokers is encouraging, not everything else in his announcement is cause for celebration. Perhaps throwing a bone to tobacco-control groups to avoid outright opposition to his new proposal, Gottlieb also indicated a desire to rely on the Center for Tobacco Products to develop product standards that would ultimately force tobacco companies to reduce nicotine levels in combustible cigarettes.” from nationalreview
“Throwing a bone to tobacco-control groups” LOL Yeah Right.
This plan is going exactly the way they want.
There are no concessions for those that want Real Tobacco.
I do not like the idea of government interference in our lives but I am not wanting the conspirators to succeed in sneaking out of the laws that they helped to ensnare everyone else in. Here is a currently active FDA docket open for public comment about Phillip Morris' non-combustible smoking devices
Gov Docket
Why would the FDA and NIH be working on these trials? Well currently the Affordable Care Act has low-nicotine and vaping in the same category as smoking regular cigarettes, and there is a financial penalty that is added to smoker's/vaper's insurance premium. In order to insure the success of their investments these products need a legal edge.
Their investments? Yes.
Here are a couple of links that reference our current FDA Commissioner's financial connections with vaping
prnewswire
“KURE Corp., one of the fastest growing companies in the vape and e-cigarette industry in the United States, announces the completion of $4.7 million in capital financing from institutional and accredited investors. T.R. Winston & Company of Los Angeles, California acted as the placement agent”
nytimes
“Financial disclosure documents show Dr. Gottlieb made more than $3 million during 2016 and through March 1 of this year, including $1.85 million from T.R. Winston”
And these PipeMagazine links concerning GMO Low-Nicotine cigarettes and their federally supported research (universities that receive federal student loans) that gives private companies (with stock to invest in) the patent rights
PipesMagazine1
PipesMagazine2
What does the press want us to think about the changing of the laws concerning vaping and GMO cigarettes? Look at this quote “While Gottlieb’s acknowledgment that non-combustible nicotine products potentially offer a life-saving alternative to cigarettes for millions of smokers is encouraging, not everything else in his announcement is cause for celebration. Perhaps throwing a bone to tobacco-control groups to avoid outright opposition to his new proposal, Gottlieb also indicated a desire to rely on the Center for Tobacco Products to develop product standards that would ultimately force tobacco companies to reduce nicotine levels in combustible cigarettes.” from nationalreview
“Throwing a bone to tobacco-control groups” LOL Yeah Right.
This plan is going exactly the way they want.
There are no concessions for those that want Real Tobacco.
I do not like the idea of government interference in our lives but I am not wanting the conspirators to succeed in sneaking out of the laws that they helped to ensnare everyone else in. Here is a currently active FDA docket open for public comment about Phillip Morris' non-combustible smoking devices
Gov Docket
Regulations always benefit big business. They are essentially a legal monopoly.
The voters, being morons, vote for them every time for the same reason they indulge in a million other fears.
Michael Crichton -- author of State of Fear -- really understood this well.
When the television turns off, and the facts come out for analysis, the world is really different from the bubble world that your average consumer lives in.
The voters, being morons, vote for them every time for the same reason they indulge in a million other fears.
Michael Crichton -- author of State of Fear -- really understood this well.
When the television turns off, and the facts come out for analysis, the world is really different from the bubble world that your average consumer lives in.
Environmental regulations do not benefit big business.
The 2009 tobacco control act and the regulations that came afterward do not benefit the tobacco companies. In fact, it was California regulations that got tobacco in trouble with advertising in the '90s.
These most recent regulation proposals really only seem to be aimed at benefiting vaping and possibly low-nicotine tobacco, not the rest of the big businesses in tobacco.
The 2009 tobacco control act and the regulations that came afterward do not benefit the tobacco companies. In fact, it was California regulations that got tobacco in trouble with advertising in the '90s.
These most recent regulation proposals really only seem to be aimed at benefiting vaping and possibly low-nicotine tobacco, not the rest of the big businesses in tobacco.
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