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Mar 1, 2014
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Much as I'm sure there are many great American brick and mortar stores, Canadian retailers SUCK.

Of course the economy is totally different given that any tobacco costs 10x more due to taxes, but it only took one $6 bundle of pipe cleaners to be convinced never to seek out any local shops ever again.
Importing tobacco still costs less even after the proper taxes are added on.

 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
26,265
29,179
Carmel Valley, CA
Much as I'm sure there are many great American brick and mortar stores, Canadian retailers SUCK.
A great many or many great local tobacconists? Maybe 50 years ago, but surely not now. I feel for my Canadian friends what with the taxes, though I fear we are catching up.

 
Jul 28, 2016
8,592
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Finland-Scandinavia-EU
in reference to Canadian tobacco taxes and prices,yet Stete ofN.Y for comparition,Finland-scandinavia-Eu:a 1,75oz pouch of Amphora, Mc Baren basic such as Golden Blend $17, medioum half corona Holland cigars starting at $ 6 e for 5 pieces, pack of Marlboro reds,$6.50,and the nearestmy B&M is located 100 miles away where I currently live.

our basic Drugstore pipetobacco assortiment is limited to a few 5-6 most popular and well known basic blends(all them in pouches),moreover within the country no tobacconist is not allowed to send no tobacco products to them customers any more,now how this appeals to you guys, My believe is that down the road all online tobacco selling will be stopped,

Have a Nice Weekend Y'all,and Greets, Paul

 

newbroom

Lifer
Jul 11, 2014
6,535
12,540
North Central Florida
However you can best access the goods, go for it!

A trip to a B&M tobacco shop amounts to a pilgrimage for me since there are none nearby.

I started with a few offerings from the corner Walgreen's, messed with those and a corn cob, found this forum and began to explore the wonderful world of non aromatic pipe tobacco and the various pipes you can use to enjoy it and buying about 98% of my current holdings online. (maybe 10 lbs. of assorted bulk tobaccos)

I wonder if these guys with hundreds of lbs of tobacco on hand also have stores of other end times essentials?

Whatever floats y'er boat, but an overloaded boat is dangerous.

 

deathmetal

Lifer
Jul 21, 2015
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The higher the local taxes, the less like a B&M is to survive.
I see the wisdom of buying pipes there however, especially for pricier ones.

 

raevans

Starting to Get Obsessed
Apr 20, 2013
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Although tobacco prices are lower today online, don't expect it to stay that way. As far as the Government is concerned, it's all about the revenue. Now that the Federal Government controls the internet, (or at least how it will be operating), don't be surprised when they figure out just how much they can make, or how much that they have been losing out on, from online tobacco sales.

Don't think for one minute that any Government entity actually wants to stop smoking. The States make way too much money from cig sales alone to keep the business thriving. (In the Commonwealth of Virginia, the State takes in between 12 and 15 million a year just on cigarette sales tax alone)

The reason we have States that prevent internet tobacco sales today is mainly due to their lack of ability to collect taxes on those sales.

At some point, we will see online prices go up and although it may remain cheaper online, it will not be as big as a difference that we see now.

 

mawnansmiff

Lifer
Oct 14, 2015
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Sunny Cornwall, UK.
Though I would mourn the loss of B&M tobacconists I have to think practically. Living in the sticks in West Cornwall the only half decent B&M my way is up on the North coast at Newquay, a good two hours drive away.
Getting there is no huge problem but being disabled I have a very difficult trudge to get from the car park to the actual shop itself. Once there I find his stock of tobacco is very limited and of course more expensive than buying online but in the spirit of buying 'local' I can live with that. Or rather I could.
However, a couple of visits ago I bought some tobacco, cleaners and a Parker pipe. I also bought three of those re-fillable angled butane lighters at £4:99 each. So far so good.
Within a two month period two of those lighters failed...the 'clicker' refused to click anymore so I put them aside to take back on my next visit.
When I did eventually make the trip out again I had in my head which tins I wished to purchase and of course my two duff lighters. When I placed them on the counter matey gave me a funny look, so I explained that they were a couple of months old yet were broken. His response was that despite being re-fillable they were disposable lighters! He offered me one new lighter as a 'gesture' of goodwill.
I declined his kind offer and left without buying anything, promising myself I would never visit his shop again.
So, it's down to personal circumstances and situations when it comes to the closure of B&M shops. I have since found the very same lighters on Amazon at six for £5, yes they have a limited life but they're a damned sight cheaper. I have also since found myself an excellent online tobacconist whose tobacco is cheaper and delivers the next day.
I would only visit a B&M to inspect a pipe before purchasing it.
Horses for courses :puffy:
Regards,
Jay.

 

drennan

Can't Leave
Mar 30, 2014
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In France I have no option but to vist the local tobacconist as all internet sales of tobacco are prohibited, it's even illegal to post tobacco! It sucks as choice is incredibly limited.
In the UK I'm around 40mins drive from mysmokingshop which is a fantastic B&M and online tobacconist. I'd rather drive than order online as it's nice to deal face to face with folks.

 

owen

Part of the Furniture Now
May 28, 2014
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3
In the UK the online suppliers are also the B and Ms so the situation is a bit different, A E Lloyd in Aberystwyth is both, there are good and bad shops and choice is very varied. The quality of service is very variable to. In one I asked about English blends and was told they were all made abroad. The tobacconist in Cheltenham has a great choice and good old fashioned service, so its a real mixed bag. I always make a point of buying a tin or two. Price seems no different across country. I do enjoy sniffing the loose tobacco and taking something home I won't be able to get again. Bookshops is a similar story, the local one is painful to use.

 

raevans

Starting to Get Obsessed
Apr 20, 2013
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One big plus for a B&M is that you can actually handle the pipe before purchasing it, (really big plus if your a Peterson fan), and usually negotiate the price of a pipe. I have not seen that from an online retailer. (With the exception of when the online retailer attends a pipe show or is a special guest at a local pipe club meeting)

 

curl

Part of the Furniture Now
Apr 29, 2014
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do you know what great customer service and a wonderful online shopping experience gets you?

Bezos, an $80 billionaire, and 10 million people fighting over 5 million minimum wage jobs.

 

aldecaker

Lifer
Feb 13, 2015
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Well, throwing about 10 million more new immigrants into the mix should solve the entire problem. Along with every other problem this country has, depending on who you ask.

 
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mothernaturewilleatusallforbreakfast

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I make bulk buys of my favorites through online retailers, and buy new blends that I'd like to try at my local B&M. I primarily buy my pipes through commission or at pipe shows. :puffy:

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
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Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
Huh? I suppose the on-line shopping experience could be wonderful. It's the hassles of waiting for them to find a lost shipment, evaluate a return, get the product on-hand for shipping, etc. On-line buying may have some pluses but, it it has it's own special set of problems.
curt: I am not comprehending the "10 million people fighting over 5 million minimum wage jobs" observation. Amazon's pay scale? The truckers hauling shipments? All the companies increasing staff because of the exposure from being on Amazon? I get that Amazon is an "economic machine", creating jobs all over the world. But, the quote throws me.

 

aldecaker

Lifer
Feb 13, 2015
4,407
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Not attempting to answer for Curl, just throwing in my opinion.
Closing B&M stores en masse interrupts an entire economic chain, from rent/mortgage paid on the property, local tax revenues on the property and the product, local service providers such as painters, roofers, and HVAC techs, to the transportation and distribution networks that deliver the product, haul the refuse away, patronise restaurants and convenience stores in the area while they're doing so, and on and on.
The consolidation of retail into online giants provides scads of "new jobs" - lucrative endeavors such as stocking shelves and packing boxes.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
12,879
20,481
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
Don't get me wrong. I dearly miss my local tobacconist. Not for economic reasons, convenience mostly. He did employ one other person and stocked his own shelves. Probably made less than minimum wage when his hours were factored in. I'm just trying to understand what "curt" was writing.
The "giant" retailers meet a need for consumers, pay taxes, generate jobs all over the wage spectrum from teamster wages to "welcome to the work force" minimum wages for teens and others, etc. A friend, whom I worked for now and then, had an Ace store. He said the best location was across the street from a Loewe's or HD as they generate business from a base desiring customer service over lower prices. His store was two blocks away and made a nice part of the income from dissatisfied "big box" customers by providing superior service and information. We also attracted the least wanted customer. The guy who came in to fondle and appraise, then went home and ordered from out of state via the "net." Gotta take the good with the bad.
The original owner of my tobacco store was agile in his responses to the economy and would be successful today. He sold to a guy dedicated to forcing a cigar bar on everyone. He was broke and gone in eight months. Bob, the original owner, expanded and contracted as the economy did. His best years were the "pipe line" days. Three stores, a dozen employees and an endless supply of "oil patch" customers itchy to spend. When construction ended he quickly dropped back to only the mother store and one employee. He greq income by jumping into the internet, shipping product all over the State. His only problem is, he could never figure out how to stop the aging process. He sold the store, cash only, up front, and moved to sunnier, warmer climes. He left town with a huge smile on his face.
There is a substantial number of consumers who are not driven by "lowest price." The local retailer has to draw from that base by meeting their needs. Of course the smaller the population base the harder that is to do. I'd guess a population of 100,000 might contain a serviceable number of cigar, luxury cigarette and pipe smokers to support a local store operated by a savvy, quick witted proprietor. I doubt he'd get rich but, he could survive.

 

deathmetal

Lifer
Jul 21, 2015
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do you know what great customer service and a wonderful online shopping experience gets you?

Bezos, an $80 billionaire, and 10 million people fighting over 5 million minimum wage jobs.
He has a point. When people care only about these things, and not supporting their local business, they end up with consolidation in the market: Walmart, Amazon, Costco.
The main problem is that smaller stores have higher expenses, plus local taxes, many of which are on the store itself including in the form of regulations and other legal costs.
This creates a crisis because Walmart, Amazon and Costco already have economies of scale working for them. When you buy ten widgets, you have a small margin; when you buy a million, you have a fat margin that you can partially discount.

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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The economics and politics of this are beyond my analytical skills. There is no question that for me, even with the shipping and sometimes added taxes, on some online sites, the prices are competitive enough to keep prices lower for nearly all tobacco and most pipes online than at brick and mortar retail. And if you take the time, you can get some good input from online retailers by phone or email. However, at a shop, you can handle the pipes, smell (and currently sample-smoke) the bulk tobacco, and in off-hours pick up a lot of lore from the staff. I consider the extra cost a membership in the local pipe shop club. The big advantage of online is convenience and savings of time. The hour or two it takes to go to my local shops is often out of reach, whereas I can sit at my computer and shop intermittently while I do other tasks and responsibilities. So I say, shop at brick and mortar when you can, online when you must, and comparison shop (mostly for pipes) as a regular practice. I've often left a pipe on the shop rack, come home and thought about it for a week or two, and gone back and bought it. I've been a local customer at two local shops for about forty years.

 

exterminatewho

Might Stick Around
Apr 15, 2017
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Luckily for me my tobacconist doesn't charge too much for tins. I bought a few Dunhill tins for $15 each (considering it's about $10 online, I'd say it's decent) and a few Frog Morton 100g tins for around $21 (50g tins are around $14). I've only gone in twice, will try to go in more often. BTW I live in Southern California

 
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