700-800 pounds is not actually that steep, considering that for a more recente vintage tobacco tin one can easily pay a few hundred EUR. I wonder if it's smokable ..
Oldest Tobacco That Exist?
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700-800 pounds is not actually that steep, considering that for a more recente vintage tobacco tin one can easily pay a few hundred EUR. I wonder if it's smokable ..
Agreed, come to think how much current tobacco one can buy for that much money, but I am saying in absolute terms. If a 1930s tin of what not costs EUR 300 on ebay, 700 for something from the 18th century ain't that disproportionate.
I've smoked a fair amount of senile, decrepit, nauseating, zombie vomit, ghastly, venerable vintages between 40 and 100 years of age. Like everything else on this good earth, tobacco matures, peaks, fades, and dies. There is the occasional fabulous smoke where the blend has pretty much held at or near its peak. But for the most part, these tobaccos have seen much better days, having faded to become wraiths of their former selves, or devolved into some really nasty tasting crap.
As a collector's object, the 18th hemp wound sailors tobacco makes for a unique artifact that presents an interesting story. But smoking it would be a waste of time, not to mention money. Still, there are plenty who would happily satisfy their curiosity before doubling over with extreme nausea and/or possibly being rushed to Emergency.
As a collector's object, the 18th hemp wound sailors tobacco makes for a unique artifact that presents an interesting story. But smoking it would be a waste of time, not to mention money. Still, there are plenty who would happily satisfy their curiosity before doubling over with extreme nausea and/or possibly being rushed to Emergency.
I guess C & D cellar series(?) is shooting for just the right amount of time to cellar, not too long, not too short.
I think the cellar series is just a gimmick. It takes the responsibility for providing to the consumer tobacco blends at their optimal condition for smoking, which is how the quality blenders operated, and put it on the consumer to do the aging. The blender doesn't have to babysit their blends for years under ideal aging conditions while tying up their money. He can push out "green" blends at full price, and market on the back of the cellaring craze.
I recall smoking from a newly opened large key top tin of Edgeworth ready Rubbed, supposed to be from 1948. It was pretty damned good.
Mike S.
Mike S.
can I helpCertainly not the oldest in the world, I have a 1974 Erinmore Cube Cut tin, still vacuum sealed, I plan on smoking.
I’ll let you know how it tastes when I smoke it, which will probably be for the New Year. ??
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Sealed 'cutter top' tins from the 1930s tend to be interesting but they fade very quickly after opening unless sealed in a jar and then consumed. I smoked a 1910 'cutter top' tin with Papipe the other year that was truly amazing, fresh, enjoyable and cube cut strangely enough. I have a bunch of 'cutter tops' that I must get around to offering for sale from the 1940/50s one of these days since they are not blends I will ever smoke. Are they worth the money? I wouldn't pay a lot for them, although the Chinese buyers go crazy over them according to Pipe Studd. Each to his own I guess.
There are several tobacco museums around the world, and I imagine one might be a contender.
For example:
Netherlands
www.visitutrechtregion.com
Belgium
www.riebedebie.be
Japan
www.japanvisitor.com
Anecdotally, doubtfully the oldest, but neat to think about:
I was once told about a ship that had a framed carotte of tobacco in the bridge.
Also, once, a 90 year oldish woman knocked on my door to talk about my tobacco plants, and she recounted that fact that her grandpa grew tobacco and told me that she had some of it hung in her home as a reminder of him.
And, Old Morris, the oldest tobacconist in Canada in Victoria reportedly has cigars from the day they opened.
For example:
Netherlands
Tobacco Cultivation Museum
Learn about the history of tobacco cultivation. At the Tabaksteeltmuseum, or Tobacco Cultivation Museum, tobacco fields transport you to the times of tobacco cultivation. Photographs and animation further explain this trade.
www.visitutrechtregion.com
Belgium
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Japan
Awa Ikeda Tobacco Museum
The Awa Ikeda Tobacco Museum in Tokushima, Shikoku tells the history of tobacco smoking and kiseru pipes in Japan since the Momoyama and Edo periods.
Anecdotally, doubtfully the oldest, but neat to think about:
I was once told about a ship that had a framed carotte of tobacco in the bridge.
Also, once, a 90 year oldish woman knocked on my door to talk about my tobacco plants, and she recounted that fact that her grandpa grew tobacco and told me that she had some of it hung in her home as a reminder of him.
And, Old Morris, the oldest tobacconist in Canada in Victoria reportedly has cigars from the day they opened.
FDA and the WHO are wrong about tobacco. Yes, it may kill you but it would seem that everyone should be free to choose the manner of their dying. Of course in this one should be prepared to be overruled by a confluence of unforeseen events or the whim of transcendent Being.
Life is far from easy. If one chooses to manage this difficulty by tobacco addiction and thereby freely chooses to perhaps live less well or less long, who is to say that what is lost is not overbalanced by the joy of smoking?
Who knows, and how is it that you feel you are empowered to make decisions for me?
Life is far from easy. If one chooses to manage this difficulty by tobacco addiction and thereby freely chooses to perhaps live less well or less long, who is to say that what is lost is not overbalanced by the joy of smoking?
Who knows, and how is it that you feel you are empowered to make decisions for me?
Meanwhile, they're A-Ok with every fast food franchise and soda brand pushing their fatty, salty, preservative laden, sugary garbage "food" anywhere they want to anyone they want... particularly children.
I guess obesity, heart disease, and diabetes are fine if there's enough money for the bribes... I mean lobbying.
I agree, and taking this argument to it's logical next step, should add that anyone who becomes ill from tobacco use should not receive any kind of medical assistance that they cannot cover out of pocket. No medical insurance coverage at all. No cost or burden to others based on our choices.
A large part of what's been driving the anti smoking movement has been the costs associated with smoking, about 30 to 40 billion dollars annually. By removing any underwritten costs, such as medical insurance, that number gets reduced significantly. Making smoking as a firing offense should cover the enormous labor cost. Now you are truly free to practice freedom of choice without interference from the smoke Nazis.
If you disagree with this then you are arguing that the state, or society, does have a right to make demands since they are also being required to cover the economic ripple effects of smoking.
I have enjoyed spectacular ancient Edgeworth as well. It's Burley. Of course it's going to survive. The other varietals, not so much.
I hear what you're saying, but more people die as a result of heart disease, stroke, and diabetes which are a direct result of poor dietary choices and obesity. Should we also withhold medical assistance to anyone who eats McDonald's, Wendy's, or Taco Bell, or pizza, or drinks Coke, or eats Oreos, or ice cream? How about being sedentary, should we not offer heath assistance to those who don't log 10k steps a day? Personal liberty is messy, and often distasteful, but the alternative is way worse.
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