Old Sasieni Advertisement 1923

[Papamique]

Here is an old 1923 advertisement from Vanity Fair for Sasieni Pipes.
What is interesting to me is that the pipe in this advertisement has four dots on the top of the stem and carries a name for the shape “Temple Bar”. According to some accounts the town names didn’t come until later but this would suggest different.

 

[mso489]

I think they still make a good pipe; Iwan Ries has a half page of new ones in its 2020 catalog, 40% off, limited quantity, surely all gone by now, some less than $100.

 

[Papamique]

It also eludes to the oil cure process that Joseph Sasieni patented in 1919. “Cured of all sap and oil”.
in his patent he says “...to extract all oil and sap...” after he just talked about “...perfect Incorporation of oil to...thoroughly season the pipe”.

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[ssjones]

I think it it's accepted that town names appeared in the 20's. Is that ad dated?

It doesn't look like "Temple Bar" is a town (appears to be a London historical site)

 

[Papamique]

I think it it's accepted that town names appeared in the 20's. Is that ad dated?

It doesn't look like "Temple Bar" is a town (appears to be a London historical site)

According to Pipedia:

“Furthermore, by 1935 Sasieni began stamping pipes, based on the shape, with their own names, which were usually, but not always, English towns.”

so I guess that leaves room for interpretation. The ad is dated November 1923. It is clear with this ad, they had four dots with Town Names instead of numbers by at least 1923.

Note: In the catalog commonly referred to as mid-30’s the Temple Bar is also listed. The copies of that catalog that I have seen don’t have a date so I’m not sure why it is referred to as mid 30’s.

 

[ssjones]

That Pipedia info is pretty old, and not updated. I recall reading here late 20's. So that ad could really be an update.

I'd submit that ad.

I'm still curious about Temple Bar. If not a town, perhaps town names did not start till the late 20's

 

[jpmcwjr]

Temple Bar is an area of London, in or near The City. So, a place, just not a town name.

 

[sablebrush52]

Sasieni ads with Town Names started to appear in the fall of 1923. I have a copy of their 1924 Catalog and it uses town names.

The Pipedia article is a reprint of Steve Smith's Sasieni article, A Murder Of Ravens, which was the 'go to" Sasieni article 10 years ago. It's very out of date.

 

[dmcmtk]

Sasieni ads with Town Names started to appear in the fall of 1923. I have a copy of their 1924 Catalog and it uses town names.

The Pipedia article is a reprint of Steve Smith's Sasieni article, A Murder Of Ravens, which was the 'go to" Sasieni article 10 years ago. It's very out of date.

Exactly. I had this information from Tony Soderman some years ago.

 

[Papamique]

The “Temple Bar” is an old, well known Sasieni shape name along with “Viscount Lascelles” and “The Whip”. None of these were town names but they were/are very British/English. There were others too like this but the majority of the shape names are English towns so they are called Town Names collectively.


I do not know how to submit the ad but I would be happy to PM the link or if you want to PM me instructions to submit it.

 

[Papamique]

I looked on here and didn’t find t

Sasieni ads with Town Names started to appear in the fall of 1923. I have a copy of their 1924 Catalog and it uses town names.

The Pipedia article is a reprint of Steve Smith's Sasieni article, A Murder Of Ravens, which was the 'go to" Sasieni article 10 years ago. It's very out of date.

Excellent. Thank you for the confirmation. I looked on the forum and couldn’t find anything but references to Murder of Ravens and pipedia.

 

[condorlover1]

Temple is an Inn of Court for Barristers since in the U.K we have a split profession and 'Bar' I would suggest could be an add on like being 'Called to the Bar' in the U.S so in essence a Barrister from Middle Temple Inn of Courts would be from the 'Temple Bar' which is down the road from the bottom of Fleet Street before the Royal Courts of Justice at the top of The Strand..

 

[mso489]

There is no stealing thunder from English pipes which set standards for traditional shapes and finishes even today. Though it is good to remember that briar first gained dominance as a pipe material in France, and that many of the classic English shapes were carried across the channel from St. Claude. The English knew a good thing when they saw it.

 

[cshubhra]

I learnt something new which was not documented elsewhere. I will document this in my mind!

 

[Papamique]

There is no stealing thunder from English pipes which set standards for traditional shapes and finishes even today. Though it is good to remember that briar first gained dominance as a pipe material in France, and that many of the classic English shapes were carried across the channel from St. Claude. The English knew a good thing when they saw it.

The few French pipes I have had, have all been too small for my taste and didn’t seem to have the quality I was looking for. Although, I did really like the shapes so there is that.

 

[Papamique]

Something I just noticed in this old advertisement is that in 1923 the price of a sasieni pipe was $8.50.

could the so called mid 30’s catalog that has them listed at $8.50 a piece really be from a time closer to 1923 or did their prices not change in 12+ years?

 

[sablebrush52]

Something I just noticed in this old advertisement is that in 1923 the price of a sasieni pipe was $8.50.

could the so called mid 30’s catalog that has them listed at $8.50 a piece really be from a time closer to 1923 or did their prices not change in 12+ years?

Well, there was this little thing called the Great Depression going on in the '30's, so it's likely that prices didn't rise. $8.50 was a lot of money back then.

 

[Papamique]

Well, there was this little thing called the Great Depression going on in the '30's, so it's likely that prices didn't rise. $8.50 was a lot of money back then.

Yes. That makes cents.

 

[jguss]

Yes. That makes cents.

Sasieni pipes continued to be advertised in America at the $8.50 price point throughout the 1930s and for much of WW2, despite increasingly scarce supply. The prices really didn’t take off until the war was over and production resumed.

 

[ssjones]

Here is the dated ad, I'm not sure if it was posted elsewhere previously.