October Tobacco Crawl with Greg L. Pease

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brass

Lifer
Jun 4, 2014
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10
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I've had a chance to smoke a few more bowls of VC. I tried it in a pot, a stack and poker. The trick is, as always with Virginias, to take it in small sips. I slowed down and focused on pace and it was like smoking a different blend. I detected little or no threat of tongue bite and am appreciating VC as a good Virginia blend with just an accent of vanilla and cream - plus the nougat portion of a Snickers bar. VC could easily become an all day Virginia.
Once again, the need to be patient with a new blend has been demonstrated. I've lost count of the times that a new blend grew on me significantly after smoking several bowls. In some cases, I've smoked most of a tin before appreciating the full potential of a new mix. It is quite possible that VC is one of those blends.
Like many here, I've developed an aversion to aromatics over the years. But I'm beginning to discover that, like other styles, aromatics vary tremendously in range of sweetness, depth, burn quality and satisfaction. Russ Oulette's Classic Burley Kake was the first aromatic that opened my eyes to the possibilities, and it has become a regular in my rotation. I can see VC becoming the next regular member of my family.

 

glpease

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jun 17, 2010
239
96
California
- Whey would you consider VC an aromatic but not consider Haddos and aromatic? Is it just the Vanilla that makes it an aro in your books?
- Assuming this is going to be a great hit (which I really do think it will), and your love for Latakia. Would you consider making a Latakia aromatic one day. Given what I've seen you do with Latakia I'm sure a GLP Latakia aromatic ala VC would be reason enough for smoking to become healthy again! :lol:
- In your mind what would happen to this blend if it was Flake or even plug? Has that been part of your experiments? As you probably noticed, I'd elect any government that promised a new law requiring tobacco manufactures to produce Plug and/or Flake versions of everything they make!
Also, if you have the time: are Royal Yacht and University Flake aromatics under the same definition? What about Prince Albert and any Lakeland-flavored tobaccos (such as the delicious Dark Kendal Flake, which I tried thanks to the generosity of a forum member here, and have come to love)?
How do you expect Virginia Cream to age? Was that a factor in making VC?
Great questions, as always. There is a blurry line, for me, between aromatic and non, I suppose. Haddo's doesn't really cross that line. Even though it relies on the rum topping, in the same way that Sextant and Navigator do, or that Barbary Coast relies on its brandy note, it's more of an adjunct, not so much a point of focus. With VC, the flavoring and aroma are definitely a featured aspect of the blend, even if they're somewhat delicate. I suppose to my mind, it is a matter of intent, which, of course, the smoker doesn't know about (unless s/he is participating in this conversation!); VC was intended to be an "aromatic," whilst HD was not, and I do think that intent does come through in the final blend. (It's not QUITE like saying, "It's an aromatic because I say it is. ;) )
That said, I've yet to taste an "Aromatic English" blend that didn't send me running from the room screaming. Which doesn't mean it can't be done, or that I won't do it. Sextant, and, in the pre-fire days, Mephisto, are about as close to that as I can imagine going. I even find Esoterica's Pembroke to be over the top. That cognac topping makes the thing cacophonous to me, confusing, and the tin aroma turns me right off. Fruity toppings and vanilla and things like that just don't seem to go with the savory nature of latakia/oriental mixtures to me, in the same way that I'd not put Worcestershire sauce or brinjal pickle on vanilla ice cream. (Wait. Achar and ice cream might actually be interesting...)
I've considered a plug or flake version of VC, and it's one of those experiments that I'm sure will happen one of these days, but currently, I'm more than a little preoccupied with some other blending projects...
Are those other blends aromatics? There's that blurry line again. Good question. Next question, please.
As for VC's aging potential, it's great because of the constituent tobaccos, and as long as it's in a sealed tin, the topping should remain true for years to come. But, it's a bit speculative at this point. I've got early prototypes that are a year old that are still going strong, but only time will tell how this thing evolves over a decade or more. The tobaccos themselves will gain complexity and depth and richness, like any other virginia blend, and I can't imagine any bad interactions with the sauce based on my experience. And, yes, designing it to age well was part of the spec, at least given the unknowns.
More about that... I started exploring aged tobaccos in the early 1980s when Robert Rex opened a tin of Drucquer's Inns of Court from a stash of stuff that he'd set aside for five years. He was the first blender who actually considered the idea of aging tobaccos that way. At the time, in fact, if you could find tobacco more than a year old in a shop, you could usually get it for a discount because it wasn't "fresh." Very few pipemen considered cellaring as something to do intentionally. In fact, in early literature, specifically his "Disquisition for the Pipe Smoker," none other than Charles Rattray discussed the merits of relatively fresh tobacco, but allowed that "the last bowl will be even better than the first." Clearly, he wanted people buying and smoking his blends. He was a better businessman than I am...
But as people started experiencing these old tins, the magic of time began to reveal itself. I remember early back-room conversations in which people were speculating as to whether the blend had changed, or if a certain tin was just from a "good batch," or if age really did play such a significant role in the flavor and aroma of the leaf. Because of that 5-year old tin of Inns of Court, and a few other that Robert pulled out, and my own involvement and interest in wines, I became a fanatic about this whole aging thing. I'd buy a bunch of tins from the same batch and sample them over the years, observing and keeping notes on how different blends with different constituent tobaccos aged over time. And, early on, I snatched up as many of those dusty old discounted tins as I could to add whatever I could to the understanding. Twenty years later, when I started my company, I was in a fairly unique position to actually design tobaccos from the beginning with aging in mind; every blend I've done has been built for the cellar, as well as for enjoyment in its youth, and it's become an almost unconsciously overriding thing that informs what I do as I'm developing everything.
So, yeah. VC. Let's talk about it again in five years. ;)

 

perdurabo

Lifer
Jun 3, 2015
3,305
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I was hoping that you hadn't abandoned the "designed to cellar" because VC is an "American Aromatic". Thanks for the insight.
I have to go off the grid at this point, and ask this question. I too, enjoy wines and have a passion for Absinthe( Another thread another time for Absinthe), I find that a good Cabernet/Merlot sets off Latakia blends like nothing else.
Is it true that you are making a GL Pease line of Wines? At this point, when might we see them released?. Or is this from a rumor mill that I stumbled upon.

 

glpease

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jun 17, 2010
239
96
California
Is it true that you are making a GL Pease line of Wines? At this point, when might we see them released?. Or is this from a rumor mill that I stumbled upon.
It's not completely out of the question, but...
I've been working with a world-class wine maker at a boutique winery for the past three vintages. Initially, my intention was ultimately to launch my own label. Now that I understand more of the economics of it, I realize there are more parallels between wine and tobacco than I'd realized. The giants in either industry make a fortune - the little guys struggle to keep things going. The only thing more ridiculous, from a "making a living" perspective than blending pipe tobacco is doing small batch (under 5000 cases) premium wine.
The cost of the best grapes, of barrels, the inventory cost whilst sitting on juice in those barrels for a couple years, the cost of bottling, and then letting it rest another year in expensive glass, then doing it all again next year, and the year after that, and maybe the year after that before being able to sell anything (we just released some of the 2012s), then the cost of marketing all adds up to a point where there's little profit left. Where the giants can make a fortune producing millions of cases of $5-10 plonk, making 50¢ on each bottle, the small producer making 2000 cases of something really excellent to sell at $50-60 bottle can barely keep the doors open. Economies of scale.
So, though I've learned a lot in the past three years, and have been intimately involved start-to-finish, grape to glass in making some exceptional wines, the only way I'd be able to start my own brand for sale is if I win a lottery or inherit a fortune from a rich relative I didn't know I had so I could afford to absorb at least couple hundred grand over the next three years before I could sell a bottle, and then begin seeing about a $24,000/year profit from the investment, providing I could sell it all...
There's a whole other side to the industry that just doesn't interest me at all, and that's the high-volume, decent quality stuff that corresponds to the high-volume tobacco world. The big wineries, like the big blending houses, operate more like refineries than garagistes. There's nothing wrong with the products they make, but they're just not that interesting from a "making" perspective.
And, don't ignore the Argentine malbecs and Rioja crianzas to pair with those latakia mixtures.

 

perdurabo

Lifer
Jun 3, 2015
3,305
1,581
If I win the lottery or inherit a fortune
That's understandable. The cost to get of the ground is to costly. Now I can rest in my seat, instead of sitting at the edge waiting for a release. There is always small batch for the Pease household.

 

glpease

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jun 17, 2010
239
96
California
Right. And, back to The Virginia Cream. Now that I've had time to step away from it a little, separate myself from the long development process, I'm pretty smitten with it. It's such a comfortable blend to smoke providing one smokes it a sip at a time, as Brass has discovered. If it's taken in long, hot pulls, the nuances and subtlety of the topping can get lost. If it's taken slowly, it's got that whole graham cracker, cream soda thing going for it that I actually find really appealing, and so complimentary to the tobaccos themselves.
It takes me some time to step back and be indifferent to the fact that it's my own "thing." It's not that I'm more objective. In a sense, it's that I'm less so. I can just enjoy the smoke without focusing on it through such critical lenses as during the development process. And, with that behind me, I can honestly say that I'm pretty chuffed over this one. And, I never thought I'd say that about an aromatic tobacco, semi- or not.
And, just today, I received an email from a die-hard latakia guy who told me he was "in love" with it. Makes a papa proud.
I know it's not going to be everyone's cuppa - different horses for different courses - but, I'm certainly thrilled there are some pipesters out there who are really digging it.

 

davet

Lifer
May 9, 2015
3,815
331
Estey's Bridge N.B Canada
I was really looking forward to participating in this crawl, would have been my first. Being a fan of all the Pease blends I've tried this one had me wanting to join in especially with Greg's contributions. It was not to be, work gets in the way again. I was called away to a refinery shutdown for the whole month. I guess I'll have to sit down and read through this one and try out the blends as I go. I've avoided reading any posts as I didn't want to get any preconceived ideas. Looking forward to joining in although a month late.

 

nutcracker

Might Stick Around
Oct 28, 2015
84
0
Davet- I am in a similar boat. A retelling of the story seems to be queued for several of us.

 

deathmetal

Lifer
Jul 21, 2015
7,714
35
Mssr. Pease has an uncanny knack for making complicated issues more understandable, for condensing the intricate minutia into graspable form, and conveying topics which may be difficult into a digestible simplicity --- that is a tremendous skill and I thank him greatly for it.
Agreed.
I think we need a pub crawl with Mr. Pease someday...

 

deathmetal

Lifer
Jul 21, 2015
7,714
35
It takes me some time to step back and be indifferent to the fact that it's my own "thing." It's not that I'm more objective. In a sense, it's that I'm less so.
Hunter S. Thompson and Tom Wolfe nod approvingly...

 

atskywalker

Starting to Get Obsessed
Feb 23, 2015
285
2
Canada
Since this thread is all things Pease... Here's a story that would put a smirk on your faces!
After discovering how well crafted Quiet Nights is I ordered 1 tin of 8oz and 2 tins of 2 2oz to smoke and cellar. Today I received my shipment. I opened the large padded envelope and to my surprise, tucked underneath the bubble wrapping was 1 tin of 8oz GasLight and 2 2oz tins of Gaslight as well! The retailer made a mistake obviously...
I've had a tin for Gaslight that I wanted to open after my phenomenal experience with Quite Nights. So... Trying to find a good reason to pop another tin before I finish my current lineup and took the mistake in shipment as a sign and decided to open my tin of GasLight..
I'll probably keep the mistaken shipment of Gaslight :lol: It is not a mistake. GasLight cannot show up to your door by mistake. There are no such things as mistakes when it comes to tobacco that good showing up unexpected. Its all part of some tobacco deity plan I tell ya!
This $#@$% is FANTASTIC :puffy:

 

jpmcwjr

Moderator
Staff member
May 12, 2015
26,258
30,255
Carmel Valley, CA
Agreed: Gaslight is a gas! I opened my tin thinking it was next in line in the crawl some weeks ago, and have enjoyed my "mistake" to the tune of 1.5 oz. gone.
GLP: Inspired by the movie of same title? I am sure you have written about that, or someone has, so no need to repeat if so; I just don't have time right now to search.

 

glpease

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jun 17, 2010
239
96
California
GLP: Inspired by the movie of same title? I am sure you have written about that, or someone has, so no need to repeat if so; I just don't have time right now to search.
The film title didn't really figure in at first. Mostly, I had the image of dark cobbled streets illuminated by ancient gas lanterns. The aromas from the tobacco just conjured that sort of mysterious thing. In fact, originally, I was going to name it Gas Lantern, but that sounded silly. So did Gas Lamp. The psychodrama of the film didn't really play right, so I nearly went searching in a different direction. But, as I started thinking about the image that would be on the label, nothing else really grabbed me. So, it sort of developed organically in the way these things do. Then came the little "story" for the label copy.

 

glpease

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jun 17, 2010
239
96
California
As we reach the end of this crawl, some interesting stuff has come up for me. After all these years, there are things I sort of take for granted and don't really pay attention to on a conscious level, but that subconsciously influence my choices in pipe and tobacco combinations. For instance, I was smoking Quiet Nights in a Castello pot, and found the latakia coming through too intensely, almost overwhelmingly. By the time I'd reached the last part of the bowl, the palate fatigue was profound. In a smaller, more billiard-like bowl, everything was nicely balanced to the bottom. I decided to smoke VC in the same Castello, and after a few bowls to overshadow the latakia ghosts, it was really singing from top to bottom.
Another thing that surprised me this week was just how many bowls of VC I could smoke in the same pipe without it going harsh. With latakia mixtures, I really want pipes to be clean and very well-rested between bowls. Smoking more than a couple bowls back to back tends to harshen-up the experience too much to me. Since I really grew up with latakia, I cultivated the practice of smoking only a single bowl before cleaning and racking the pipe for a fortnight's slumber, and I've naturally carried that habit over to every other tobacco style.
So, I've always thought that people who smoke the same pipe over and over were "doing it wrong," and not getting the most enjoyment possible out of the experience. Focusing on one tobacco for a week at a time as a smoker, not as a blender, I've become much more aware of how much the choice of tobacco type can influence our habits. In fact, I've been smoking the VC in same couple pipes for several days now, and they're tasting just fine. In fact, the second or third bowl in the same pipe can actually enhance the flavors of the topping.
Damn. Old dog, new tricks.

 

brass

Lifer
Jun 4, 2014
1,840
10
United States
I'm tied up today and haven't had the chance to gather my thoughts completely. Comparing Greg's tobacco is like being a judge in a Miss Universe contest. So many beautiful choices and even the least of the lineup is stunning.
I want to give my hearty and sincere thanks to Greg for making this one of our best crawls ever. I think it fair to say he has set a new standard for participation and sincere thought to our questions.
I would also be remiss in not expressing gratitude to each and everyone of you who has taken the time to smoke our blend choices and post your thoughts and questions. Without your contributions, the event would not have he breadth and depth we've experienced.
I do hope to come back tomorrow and share some final thoughts about this month's blends. Please stop in and do the same. I feel like I've made some new friends here and have gotten to know some older friends better.
God bless you all.
Pax

 

jpmcwjr

Moderator
Staff member
May 12, 2015
26,258
30,255
Carmel Valley, CA
Well done, well said, both Brass and Greg. My appreciation goes out to you both as well as my fellow smokers with insights, comments and good cheer. I am off to LV mañana and will look to trade away some lesser tobaccos.
Thanks to you both.

 

echie

Can't Leave
Jul 7, 2014
368
0
Amsterdam
Indeed! I couldn't participate on this one, but followed the thread. It was amazingly enlightening! I'm now aching to try these blends, and will re-read the thread as I do.
Thanks a for continuing to set these up, brass! And thanks Greg for not only dropping by, but for all the information and anecdotes!

 

prairiedruid

Lifer
Jun 30, 2015
2,033
1,266
I also want to add my thanks to Mr. Pease, not only for creating these tasty blends I've sampled this month but sharing his insights as well. It's been a flavorful and educational month.

 

perdurabo

Lifer
Jun 3, 2015
3,305
1,581
Thanks again to Brass and Mr. Pease for doing this crawl. Finally got some Quiet Nights, can't wait to crack that one this winter, and can't wait to see what Lord Latakia has for us in the coming years.

 
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