Has anyone else noticed how few places we can smoke nowadays? Got asked to move further away from the entrance to the college today. I was already several feet away from the doors, my smoke was not lingering near anyone going in or out of the building. I made certain that I was mindful of the wind at all times and blew my smoke away from anyone and everyone. So is the complaint justified?
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Here in Vegas there's still a good number of places to smoke. The casinos allow smoking on the floor. A lot of bars turn a blind eye to it. UNLV allows smoking in most parts of the campus just not in the buildings. You can smoke in all the tobacconists. Theres also a number of outdoor malls you can enjoy a bowl while you're walking around.
I agree it's gotten a bit out of hand, the no smoking areas. I say smoke your pipe anywhere and if they say it's a no smoking area comment that the picture is clearly a cigarette, there's no pipe depicted. lol
I agree it's gotten a bit out of hand, the no smoking areas. I say smoke your pipe anywhere and if they say it's a no smoking area comment that the picture is clearly a cigarette, there's no pipe depicted. lol
Maybe they think you're a bad influence.Like those smart enough to go to college can't make their own decisions.
A few years ago I went into a Wal-Mart smoking a Lucky without even thinking about it. Wasnt paying attention at all. Went to ash the smoke and suddenly realized that I'd been wandering around puffing away like a fool..Nobody said a word! WHOOPS 
"Trust me Hoss, from what I have seen at Walmart, you flew waaay under the radar of what is unacceptable behavior."
That's why I heart the Mart
That's why I heart the Mart
I agree that you were being mindful. I've been in a similar situation. My college here in West Michigan became a "Smoke Free Zone" about 2 years ago. We have a bunch of rent-a-cop type security guards that slap you with big fines if you're caught smoking anywhere on campus. Even the parking lot or in your car! Most people follow the rules and go and stand a quarter of a mile from the building but when winter hits you see people sneaking out of various back doors for a toke. The security guards like to drive around the campus in their vans and they've chased after people to give them fines for smoking before. Talk about anti-smoking Nazis! Holy cow.
Sidebar: Why is it surprising to anyone that these things happen? Our society has chosen, and continues to create incentives, to wipe out the use of tobacco. Instruments as varied as federal and state law, political grandstanding, medical insurance punishment, and social pressures are in play.
In fairness, those on the crusade do have decades of evidence on their side. I think our best defense is that there are probably bigger problems for the world to solve. As a community, unlike the connoisseurs of spirits for example, we don't seem to acknowledge that our hobby has a dark addictive side, that excessive use is unhealthy, and we generally don't watch out for those of our number who are very likely harming themselves by overdoing it. If we were less concerned with abstract freedoms and saber-rattling, and more concerned with realism and acting with moderation, we might get less "help" from others.
Just my two cents.
In fairness, those on the crusade do have decades of evidence on their side. I think our best defense is that there are probably bigger problems for the world to solve. As a community, unlike the connoisseurs of spirits for example, we don't seem to acknowledge that our hobby has a dark addictive side, that excessive use is unhealthy, and we generally don't watch out for those of our number who are very likely harming themselves by overdoing it. If we were less concerned with abstract freedoms and saber-rattling, and more concerned with realism and acting with moderation, we might get less "help" from others.
Just my two cents.
Honestly I do not have a desire to smoke anywhere away from my house. Occasionally I will in my jeep but not to iften. The question I ask is how much longer will I be able to smoke on my deck?
I never smoked but the occasional cigar up until age 40 and then took up the pipe. I never chastised anyone for smoking in general and be damned if someone would do it to me at this point. I probably would have said buzz off if I felt there was already enough room between myself and the entry to the building. But then again, I almost always smoke at home.
"Sidebar: Why is it surprising to anyone that these things happen? Our society has chosen, and continues to create incentives, to wipe out the use of tobacco. Instruments as varied as federal and state law, political grandstanding, medical insurance punishment, and social pressures are in play."
"In fairness, those on the crusade do have decades of evidence on their side. I think our best defense is that there are probably bigger problems for the world to solve. As a community, unlike the connoisseurs of spirits for example, we don't seem to acknowledge that our hobby has a dark addictive side, that excessive use is unhealthy, and we generally don't watch out for those of our number who are very likely harming themselves by overdoing it. If we were less concerned with abstract freedoms and saber-rattling, and more concerned with realism and acting with moderation, we might get less "help" from others."
+1 Planetary! I agree. Nice logical post!
"Honestly I do not have a desire to smoke anywhere away from my house. Occasionally I will in my jeep but not to iften. The question I ask is how much longer will I be able to smoke on my deck?"
+1 to Easterntraveler's post also.
"In fairness, those on the crusade do have decades of evidence on their side. I think our best defense is that there are probably bigger problems for the world to solve. As a community, unlike the connoisseurs of spirits for example, we don't seem to acknowledge that our hobby has a dark addictive side, that excessive use is unhealthy, and we generally don't watch out for those of our number who are very likely harming themselves by overdoing it. If we were less concerned with abstract freedoms and saber-rattling, and more concerned with realism and acting with moderation, we might get less "help" from others."
+1 Planetary! I agree. Nice logical post!
"Honestly I do not have a desire to smoke anywhere away from my house. Occasionally I will in my jeep but not to iften. The question I ask is how much longer will I be able to smoke on my deck?"
+1 to Easterntraveler's post also.
It's even reached a lot of the outdoor theme parks. Even though it's OUTDOORS. I was at Silver Dollar City in Branson, and was walking around with my pipe. I was smoking my MacB Vanilla Cream while walking throughout the park. And even while waiting in line for attractions, I would mention to everyone that if my pipe bothered them, let me know and I would put it away. Everyone loved the smell and there were no complaints.
However, a young 20-something approached me after I have been there for 6 hours, told me that this was a smoke-free park..that there were smoking sections (small gated-off sections filled with cigarette smokers) and to put my pipe away.
I told him I had been there for 6 hours, and had passed and talked with multiple workers, vendors, and even park officials and not one mentioned my smoking. We was being an arse, as he was voicing quite loudly and "authoritatively".
However, a young 20-something approached me after I have been there for 6 hours, told me that this was a smoke-free park..that there were smoking sections (small gated-off sections filled with cigarette smokers) and to put my pipe away.
I told him I had been there for 6 hours, and had passed and talked with multiple workers, vendors, and even park officials and not one mentioned my smoking. We was being an arse, as he was voicing quite loudly and "authoritatively".
I can remember going to bars before the great tobacco attack, and by those quarters being assaulted by the clouds of cigarette smoke, which stank and got in my eyes. Unpleasant experience, to be sure, but it was the price to be paid. Banning smoking in that environment would have made some sense. But the bans in place now make no sense. Recently I was sitting next to someone outdoors and began lighting my pipe. The man next to me, to whom I'd been talking, jumped up and moved ten feet away, frightened by the prospect of smoke. I thought it was comical, but in his reaction can be seen the results of the antis. All tobacco smoke kills, even that occasional whiff he might have gotten from my pipe.
With chagrin I must admit how terribly effective politicians have been in engendering a whole new era powered by completely different ideas about tobacco.
With chagrin I must admit how terribly effective politicians have been in engendering a whole new era powered by completely different ideas about tobacco.
Very nice points everyone! Sorry for the delayed response, had finals so I turned in early. There are some very strong points here, +1 to all! And I apologize for not addressing each post on the topic, this by no means is to say that I don't value each and every post, just hard to do from a mobile. Hilarious about the over zealous rent a cop by the way, get that man a pipe and some shag, maybe he'll back off. @Puffy oh I'm a terrible influence compared to the ones who show up drunk or high for finals Lmao. @Planetary-very good point! Especially the penalty for smoking and healthcare. Good point as well @Ae1pt. All here have made good points really. And I can understand the no smoking indoors to a point due to the being courteous to others, it's the individuals who tell me where I can and cannot smoke outside.
My factory went smoke free a few years ago, just about the same time our insurance rates changed for smokers and non-smokers.
@4nogginsmike
That is so craaazy! When I was a kid in the 50's everybody smoked anywhere they wanted to. I can remember sitting by my mom at the kitchen table while she wrote a letter and had a cigarette. She would set the smoke down on an ash tray and I would sit and watch the smoke float away and curl around. It was fascinating to a kid (at least to me). Sometimes the smoke would rise up in a perfectly straight line if the air wasn't disturbed. I'm still a very observant person I think.
All my uncles and my dad smoked a pipe and I still remember how great smelling the smoke was. I know that's why I picked up the pipe in order to stop cigs after 42 years of inhaling. I know I've done myself some lung damage but damn! Nicotine Nazis and political correctness freaks drive my crazy! Insurance companies are running the world economy now!
OK I feel better now. 8)
That is so craaazy! When I was a kid in the 50's everybody smoked anywhere they wanted to. I can remember sitting by my mom at the kitchen table while she wrote a letter and had a cigarette. She would set the smoke down on an ash tray and I would sit and watch the smoke float away and curl around. It was fascinating to a kid (at least to me). Sometimes the smoke would rise up in a perfectly straight line if the air wasn't disturbed. I'm still a very observant person I think.
All my uncles and my dad smoked a pipe and I still remember how great smelling the smoke was. I know that's why I picked up the pipe in order to stop cigs after 42 years of inhaling. I know I've done myself some lung damage but damn! Nicotine Nazis and political correctness freaks drive my crazy! Insurance companies are running the world economy now!
OK I feel better now. 8)
Planetary returns from a hiatus to drop truthbombs on us.
I will say that I think overall, bars and restaurants have become more pleasant for most people since smoking bans. The one thing that drives me nuts is that in some of the laws, there is no provision for an exception. In Chicago, for instance, if you made 50% of your sales from tobacco products, you were exempt. What this meant is that one could still smoke in Iwan Ries. Here in Missoula, there is no such provision, and the tobacco shop is non-smoking, which is pretty confusing to me.
As a sidebar,iIt's always surprising to me the number and severity of negative interactions some have with 'smoke nazi treehuggers,' as someone above put it.* In ten years of smoking a pipe all around America, I can't think of a single time anyone has confronted me about my smoking. Could it be luck on my part? Maybe. It might also be that I try to be courteous. I don't consider this a real vice, but there are those who do, and I don't want to force my smoke on them. So I smoke on my porch and while walking through parks and the like. If I pass someone, I take the pipe out of my mouth fifty feet before we pass. No big deal for me, since it reminds me to slow down anyway. I don't sit within thirty feet or so of anyone I don't know while smoking. This made it difficult to smoke a pipe in Seattle when I was there for a week last year, but that's a small price to pay for never having negative interactions with people.
*Two subpoints here. First, Godwin's law comes into play on the first post. Second, if there weren't people protecting the wild places of America, they'd pretty much have all been developed and sold by now. No thanks. I really like having a couple million untouched acres within two hours of my town. If that makes me a treehugger, I'm fine with that.
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