Spot on. Dont even get me started on our firearm law legislation overhaul that is also currently going on. Plus draconian vaccine passports.
New Zealand to Ban Smoking for Next Generation in Bid to Outlaw Habit by 2025
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Thesis + antithesis = synthesis. Oldest trick in the book. This proposal positively reeks of this tactic, 100%.
Not sure if it’s been mentioned but NZ also passed a law about 2 months earlier that bans smoking in your car when minors are in it as well. That one I dont really have a problem with but I bet the next thing coming will be making it illegal to smoke tobacco in your own home.
yeah glad I ain't the only one that sees it
This is bound to happen here in the UK as well at some point. I've tried to give up cigarettes numerous times but everytime I do I turn into Charley Cheswick from One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.
Yes, that's exactly where the burden of enforcement falls, at least here in the US.
After watching the prohibition of cannabis play out, I think I know how tobacco will end up in NZ. Question is whether I want to punt on getting some acreage in NZ with some hidden subgrade grow op. Some enterprising locals buried some school buses several years ago and had a good thing going until someone blabbed.
It doesn’t matter if it works or not. What matters is the ban hammer has been swung, and it will make hay for the politicians. If anyone wants outcomes data, I’m certain there will be plenty available that say the correct things.
And forget the “straw that broke the camels back” thing. Armchair patriot-sociologists have been saying this about a wide variety of similar issues since forever. Not gonna happen.
100%
Authoritarianism has NEVER come about overnight. Those who want to install it rely on human nature to surrender freedoms/rights/etc. in small increments and make concessions in small increments.
"It's not worth fighting over this small thing", is the thought process.
Then, when people realize the extent of what they've conceded/allowed/given up/etc.---when it IS worth fighting over---it's too late. Doing so is literal suicide. So they once again stand down.
The biological mechanism that causes this response is as old as Man, and has been exploited since day one.
The funny-sad part is it's so powerful that people can't act differently even after knowing that history, or when they actually see it happening around them.
Wasn’t Lord of the Rings filmed in New Zealand? Kind of ironic, the place that got a new generation into wizards and church warden’s and Nougat pipe tobacco is fixing to outlaw it.
So progressive. Haha. I love that word in the music world, not so much in the insurance and political world though.
So progressive. Haha. I love that word in the music world, not so much in the insurance and political world though.
...and it only gets worse when history is altered, revised and erased. Or painted as irrelevant, racist and oppressive.
Remember that Winston's literal job in Orwell's 1984 was to delete/modify/etc. historical events to align with Big Brother's demands/requirements/wishes?
Astonishingly, those who now own the publication rights to that novel are behind a "re-telling" of the story from a "new perspective". (Translated: in a decade or two, the old WrongThink version---the original one---will have been replaced by a story that meets the approval of an actual, non-fictional, real-world Big Brother.)
A ‘feminist retelling’ of George Orwell’s 1984 is in the works
Could it be doubleplusgood?
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Yep. Stockpile of ammo, tobacco and capable of brewing my own beer. I have the makings of my own country.
I guess I should feel honoured that “y’all” have such strong reactions to some of my country’s legislation that’s been openly talked about for the last decade or so. At the end of the day, I’m supportive of any changes that encourage people to grow their own. Whether my kids choose to smoke a pipe or not probably corresponds less with laws or social norms and more with how much of a deadbeat dad I am (or hopefully not). They already know where tobacco comes from
I saw the short video Paul Joseph Watson did on this story. You couldn't make it up?Remember that Winston's literal job in Orwell's 1984 was to delete/modify/etc. historical events to align with Big Brother's demands/requirements/wishes?
Astonishingly, those who now own the publication rights to that novel are behind a "re-telling" of the story from a "new perspective". (Translated: in a decade or two, the old WrongThink version---the original one---will have been replaced by a story that meets the approval of an actual, non-fictional, real-world Big Brother.)
A ‘feminist retelling’ of George Orwell’s 1984 is in the works
Could it be doubleplusgood?
PJW --"I've seen the future and it's a reboot on a human face forever."
Neil Postman in his 1985 book Amusing Ourselves to Death compares and contrasts Orwell and Huxley’s views of dystopian tyranny:
“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny “failed to take into account man’s almost infinite appetite for distractions.” In 1984, Huxley added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we hate will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we love will ruin us.”
In a few more decades the history will have been written by events, but those events will never be spoken about or referred to by anyone.
Since the Dawn of Man individuals have appeared in the population who are relentlessly driven to achieve large scale power and control over others. Since that can't be accomplished alone, their approach to obtaining help has always been to appeal to one of the two basic types of humans: 1) objectivists who have a Darwinian view of Man's place in the world and think the exploitation of lower ability individuals by those with higher ability is natural; and 2) feelings-based decision makers who think Man's intelligence should be able to create a society where an equal outcome for all is assured regardless of ability.
It was the well that never ran dry: Virtually everyone felt strongly one way or the other; virtually everyone thought their opposite number was flatly wrong; and the dispute could never be settled.
In recent times the first type have been referred to as Capitalists, and the second type as Socialists.
Because the perfect society imagined by each group runs counter to human nature, however---the first because it is devoid of empathy and compassion, and the second because it requires rules regarding "correct" thought and behavior---its implementation demands ruthlessness.
The key to successful and enduring ruthlessness is not overt brutality, though. It is cleverness. To control people behind the scenes while appearing benevolent to the masses.
Throughout history, regardless of where on the "right/left" spectrum they fell, from medieval kings and the Industrial Revolution's robber barons at one end to the 20th century's Soviet Union and North Korea at the other, the leaders relied on information to become strong, establish themselves, and remain in control.
It is no longer necessary for those who seek power to appeal to one side or the other, however. No need to have the support and help of an ideologically-driven group to collect information on their behalf. Today, they can go straight to the endgame. Controlling people with fear and coercion is simply a matter of having access to electronic records.
In 2020 it is entirely possible to know with complete accuracy what a given individual ate for breakfast, how much he spent for it, where it was purchased, the bank where the funds were kept, how much is left in his refrigerator, when it will spoil, how many hours he spent at work, where he stopped on the way there, where he stopped on the way back, how fast he drove, how much he paid for the car, how many accident claims it has been involved in, whether or not traffic laws were broken, the brand of soap he showered with before going to work, who his friends are, who he has communicated with, his political preferences, his political affiliations, his state of physical health, his hobbies, the music he prefers, and on and on and on... The deeper one dives the more connections can be found and inferences that can be made and investigated, effectively without limit, endlessly branching like the Mandelbrot set.
And the pool of stockpiled information grows both wider and deeper every day. Literally every second of every day.
The remarkable part is that most of the information wasn't extracted by force or supplied in response to an overt request. Most of the time, either knowingly or unknowingly (the "terms of service" user agreement), it was given freely by the individual himself. Often eagerly. Mother Nature made short term benefit a powerful motivator.
As the founder of Facebook famously said in 2003:
Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard
Zuck: Just ask
Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SSNs
[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?
Zuck: People just submitted it.
Zuck: I don't know why.
Zuck: They "trust me"
Zuck: Dumb fucks
In short, the masses the aspiring rulers want to control are indirectly demanding to be controlled. It's an act of simultaneous acquiescence and bestowal. No invading armies, no shots fired. There is no longer any need to inspire and recruit followers from the Left/Right well that never runs dry.
In fact, those who are relentlessly driven to achieve large scale power and control over others never did care about a particular vision of society. The entire ideology "thing" was just a convenient recruiting tool. A way to gather crowds who would chant their name. All they ever cared about, and all they ever will care about, is being in charge.
When the social-score/credit model of society is fully implemented, voicing awareness or concern about any of this---never mind criticizing it---will be suppressed by whatever means necessary, until one day the very idea that something's badly wrong will be impossible to conceptualize, never mind articulate.
and our public broadcasting news company ruled by left wing brotherhood informed us recently that this NZ law bill might be a good idea to follow here as well,Title pretty much says it all
Link to article in the Guardian below.
New Zealand to ban smoking for next generation in bid to outlaw habit by 2025 - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/09/new-zealand-to-ban-smoking-for-next-generation-in-bid-to-outlaw-habit-by-2025
TLDR:
- Legal age for smoking will be raised by 1 year every year - so no one currently under the age of 14 will ever be able to legally purchase and smoke tobacco in NZ
- Reduced limits of nicotine in tobacco products will also be introduced.
- Vaping is unaffected!?
- Oddly no mention of pipes or cigars but I would imagine that pipe tobacco will be impacted
EDIT. Just to be clear; legislation is being introduced but is not law yet, Anticipated it will come into effect 2023.
I Hope pipe smokers in NZ have got their tobacco cellars organised.