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Sunkist

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Dec 27, 2024
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I hope it's ok to sign up mainly to ask if anyone has info/knowledge about a specific tobacco-related issue that I encountered numerous times at a convenience store near my previous apartment, and one incident last weekend at a store near my current apartment:

After this most recent incident I checked the www and read that this state does not require ID for tobacco purchases.. it added 'however,' all tobacco purchases must be in person so the merchants can ensure the customer is at least 21 years old (duly noting there is NOT this requirement for alcohol, which stores can actually deliver).

I am 67 years old. Anyone can see on-sight that I'm not a minor. However, as the store I usually shop at (usually around twice a week for the last two years) has a sign on the cash register stating ID is required from 'everybody, every time,' I always show my ID. It was issued by the motor vehicles dept. in this state; logically, my photo proves it's mine, and my birthdate makes my actual age clear.

THE problem: while this store has numerous employees, and in most cases various employees in the store at the same time, the only employee there last Sunday was one middle-aged+ woman. She was rude enough when I walked into the store, but when I gave her my ID she refused to accept it because it was expired. She also remarked if other employees accept this ID, they're 'putting their jobs in jeopardy.' I have no idea who the manager is, but it isn't her.

So my question: as it was clearly stated the only reason to require ID is to make sure customers aren't minors, is there ANY legitimate reason for store employees to deny me tobacco products due to the expiration date on my ID?
Although I shouldn't have needed to explain, she was downright nasty when I said I can't get it renewed because I have no way to get to the motor vehicles dept. (it moved)- I don't drive, and buses don't run in this area.

Some individuals are rude just because they can be. Additionally, I get the distinct impression some want to make purchasing/using tobacco as difficult as possible because they don't approve of tobacco use.

Does this expiration date issue make any sense to anybody reading this????
 

Briarcutter

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Well, technically, your ID isn't worth the plastic it written on since it's expired. However, for something like the sale of tobacco I think that could be overlooked. Obviously you look old enough. But I'm sure there are sticklers out there that would side with the "law"🤔
I wonder, if an expired license if found at the scene of a crime would it still be valid evidence? 😂
 

proteus

Lifer
May 20, 2023
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Around here for alcohol and tobacco folks card if people look under I think 35 or 40.

The signs here says with a valid government issued ID. Usually a driver license, a passport card, a passport book, state issued ID card non D.L., military ID. Valid would mean non expired.

If your ID is. D.L and it's expired you've got bigger issues. The clerk probably won't even ask if you look typically like a 67 year old. And then probably won't even care about the expiry. Now around here they also use UV to check and run the numbers with state DMV like at certain banks which would flag expired ID. So it depends.

My advice...get a valid non expired government ID. Being in public without valid ID might make for a bad day if you are Terry stopped and can't prove who you are to the authorities. Valid can mean many things to different people.
 

Sobrbiker

Lifer
Jan 7, 2023
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If I got turned down for a “must be 21” purchase at 57 (without ID), I’d spend my money elsewhere.

The fun part that many retailers miss is this: in many jurisdictions, the law/regulation is written such that if they ask for ID they are supposed to log it. If they are going to inconvenience an obviously legal person for adherence to policy, make them earn it. It would you be worth looking into if such applies where you’re at.
 

Sunkist

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Dec 27, 2024
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Well, technically, your ID isn't worth the plastic it written on since it's expired. However, for something like the sale of tobacco I think that could be overlooked. Obviously you look old enough. But I'm sure there are sticklers out there that would side with the "law"🤔
I wonder, if an expired license if found at the scene of a crime would it still be valid evidence? 😂
But the law says ID isn't even required.. I show it each time I go there because of the notice on the cash register. All of the other employees don't even take it out of my hand, they just type my birthdate on something.
 

Sparcdude

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Feb 9, 2023
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The fun part that many retailers miss is this: in many jurisdictions, the law/regulation is written such that if they ask for ID they are supposed to log it. If they are going to inconvenience an obviously legal person for adherence to policy, make them earn it. It would you be worth looking into if such applies where you’re at.
I’ve never seen nor heard of such a provision. But as for asking for ID, I’m not sure I see an issue with it. If you’re going to ask for ID, ask for it from everyone. At my age, getting asked for ID makes me smile and I have fun with it by messing with the clerk.

Life is too short to worry about being ID’d to buy tobacco or alcohol.
 

TriedPiper

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Oct 23, 2024
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1) Stop in when the manager is there, and/or

2) Get a valid non-driver ID. Your going to want it eventually.

3) Welcome fellow pipe smoker!

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Welcome to the forum.

While I fully endorse supporting your local B&M, it appears this one does not want your $$. Write a short letter to the manager so they are aware and then buy online. Online is cheaper and more variety right to your doorstep. Life is too short to get upset or spend more time on this.

I get ID'd more now >50 years of age than I did at 15. 4 quarters at a machine would get me tobacco back then, but I want never ID'd for tobacco at the local tobacconist. Now...

My uncle just told me a funny story, he was kicked out of the local park at age 4.... for smoking!

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Hillcrest

Lifer
Dec 3, 2021
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Connecticut, USA
I hope it's ok to sign up mainly to ask if anyone has info/knowledge about a specific tobacco-related issue that I encountered numerous times at a convenience store near my previous apartment, and one incident last weekend at a store near my current apartment:

After this most recent incident I checked the www and read that this state does not require ID for tobacco purchases.. it added 'however,' all tobacco purchases must be in person so the merchants can ensure the customer is at least 21 years old (duly noting there is NOT this requirement for alcohol, which stores can actually deliver).

I am 67 years old. Anyone can see on-sight that I'm not a minor. However, as the store I usually shop at (usually around twice a week for the last two years) has a sign on the cash register stating ID is required from 'everybody, every time,' I always show my ID. It was issued by the motor vehicles dept. in this state; logically, my photo proves it's mine, and my birthdate makes my actual age clear.

THE problem: while this store has numerous employees, and in most cases various employees in the store at the same time, the only employee there last Sunday was one middle-aged+ woman. She was rude enough when I walked into the store, but when I gave her my ID she refused to accept it because it was expired. She also remarked if other employees accept this ID, they're 'putting their jobs in jeopardy.' I have no idea who the manager is, but it isn't her.

So my question: as it was clearly stated the only reason to require ID is to make sure customers aren't minors, is there ANY legitimate reason for store employees to deny me tobacco products due to the expiration date on my ID?
Although I shouldn't have needed to explain, she was downright nasty when I said I can't get it renewed because I have no way to get to the motor vehicles dept. (it moved)- I don't drive, and buses don't run in this area.

Some individuals are rude just because they can be. Additionally, I get the distinct impression some want to make purchasing/using tobacco as difficult as possible because they don't approve of tobacco use.

Does this expiration date issue make any sense to anybody reading this????
Go online and see if you can renew your license by mail. If not, do as advised and take an Uber to your DMV.
Many people don't realize that carding you has nothing to do with you and everything to do with the requirements for the store to maintain their license to sell the goods to you. Should an inspector be in the store undercover and see they are not complying with the State's wonderful laws they will shut them down. Its that simple many times. Get an id. Ignore the one person who gave you a hard time and is probably afraid of losing a much needed job.
 

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Hillcrest

Lifer
Dec 3, 2021
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I wonder, if an expired license if found at the scene of a crime would it still be valid evidence? 😂
Probably admissible but perhaps not definitive evidence. Your question raises a fascinating train of thought though ... cadavers are frequently identified with dental records but you are not required to show ID to get dental work done (unless paying by check!) Whose to say you didn't lie about your name? ; birth certificates are technically hearsay aren't they ? Do you need to show ID to get a marriage license ? Maybe the whole identification system needs a review and revision ??? The OP may have opened a bigger can of worms than he knows ... 🤔 :ROFLMAO:
 
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anotherbob

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I hope it's ok to sign up mainly to ask if anyone has info/knowledge about a specific tobacco-related issue that I encountered numerous times at a convenience store near my previous apartment, and one incident last weekend at a store near my current apartment:

After this most recent incident I checked the www and read that this state does not require ID for tobacco purchases.. it added 'however,' all tobacco purchases must be in person so the merchants can ensure the customer is at least 21 years old (duly noting there is NOT this requirement for alcohol, which stores can actually deliver).

I am 67 years old. Anyone can see on-sight that I'm not a minor. However, as the store I usually shop at (usually around twice a week for the last two years) has a sign on the cash register stating ID is required from 'everybody, every time,' I always show my ID. It was issued by the motor vehicles dept. in this state; logically, my photo proves it's mine, and my birthdate makes my actual age clear.

THE problem: while this store has numerous employees, and in most cases various employees in the store at the same time, the only employee there last Sunday was one middle-aged+ woman. She was rude enough when I walked into the store, but when I gave her my ID she refused to accept it because it was expired. She also remarked if other employees accept this ID, they're 'putting their jobs in jeopardy.' I have no idea who the manager is, but it isn't her.

So my question: as it was clearly stated the only reason to require ID is to make sure customers aren't minors, is there ANY legitimate reason for store employees to deny me tobacco products due to the expiration date on my ID?
Although I shouldn't have needed to explain, she was downright nasty when I said I can't get it renewed because I have no way to get to the motor vehicles dept. (it moved)- I don't drive, and buses don't run in this area.

Some individuals are rude just because they can be. Additionally, I get the distinct impression some want to make purchasing/using tobacco as difficult as possible because they don't approve of tobacco use.

Does this expiration date issue make any sense to anybody reading this????
probably corporate policy. If it's a chain store (which it can be while having different names in other states). Often their policies are written to cover every jurisdiction they're in. For example in the state I live in, the law says you have to card for alcohol or tobacco unless the person is over 40 something years old.
 
Does this expiration date issue make any sense to anybody reading this???
No, and I find this to be a stupid nuisance. My wife and I were visiting a winery in NC, and we had made reservations and paid for a tour. We are both obviously old. But, when we got there, we realized at the tour that her Alabama Drivers license was one day expired. Stopped by the 21 year old snot nose at the door, then the manager who was in his 20’s also. They wouldn’t even take a $100 gratuity to let is in.
If she were stopped by police, she would get a ticket, which would be dismissed upon her renewal of the DL. But WTF makes an expired DL an invalid source of proof of age? The age will remain the same on a new DL.

This sort of government nonsense that pisses me off more than any other political BS.
 
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dd57chevy

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Are you talking about pipe tobacco ? Most of us buy from one of several online stores .
You haven't disclosed your location (Sunkist-FL ???) but if we're talking cigarettes , they are sold everywhere . I'd try a friendlier merchant .
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