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Lifer
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This shows the technology that makes the animation possible but in no way illustrates the potential for mischief. People can be made to say things they didn't and deny things they did, until reality itself acquires a tentative aura. I think the induced imbalance in our sense of reality is the thrust of damage here. The technologists did a remarkable job here. Human character will construct the damaging effects.
 
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In a similar vein, an attorney used ChatGPT to help prepare a legal brief when short on time. The program cited to non-existent case law, resulting in the attorney being sanctioned (for misleading the court with fake cases and then the cover up) and possibly facing licensing issues.

Sine we are apparently citing sources now:

 

gubbyduffer

Can't Leave
May 25, 2021
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Sablebrush as an expert in this field describes the process of technological development well as an iterative process. The vast bulk of such development is conducted by private enterprise, in the case of this thread, computer games companies and the film industry. These companies cannot afford to sit on their hard work for up to 30 years. They may have a 30 year plan of where they want to get to, but the technology isn't yet in place. If they don't show us what they can do then someone else will beat them to the punch.
It's not my field, but I do take an interest in the progress of film history and in particular the evolution of VFX. Cinema is filled with stories of ingenious individuals and groups pushing the limits for each subsequent film. See the history of ILM or James Cameron Abyss/T2 as examples. T2 is over 30 years old. Are people suggesting that James Cameron had the technology shown in the OP when he made T2, but he chose to keep it a secret in a bid to control minds through mobile phones? I know the T1000 can meld into different shapes. Should I be melding a tinfoil hat?
 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
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Sablebrush as an expert in this field describes the process of technological development well as an iterative process. The vast bulk of such development is conducted by private enterprise, in the case of this thread, computer games companies and the film industry. These companies cannot afford to sit on their hard work for up to 30 years. They may have a 30 year plan of where they want to get to, but the technology isn't yet in place. If they don't show us what they can do then someone else will beat them to the punch.
It's not my field, but I do take an interest in the progress of film history and in particular the evolution of VFX. Cinema is filled with stories of ingenious individuals and groups pushing the limits for each subsequent film. See the history of ILM or James Cameron Abyss/T2 as examples. T2 is over 30 years old. Are people suggesting that James Cameron had the technology shown in the OP when he made T2, but he chose to keep it a secret in a bid to control minds through mobile phones? I know the T1000 can meld into different shapes. Should I be melding a tinfoil hat?
One of the reasons, among the many already cited, that nobody is sitting on tech they've developed is that there's no way to find out all the flaws before putting it into release and using the market as a guinea pig. This holds true for both hardware and software. Software goes out, there are reports of mass destruction, and the author issues an update, and another, and another, as they patch the holes or unsuspected system/hardware conflicts. That's one reason why I never buy a new release of anything until it's been on the market for about 3 months.

As for how far advanced the tech is beyond what consumers get to see it's about 18 months to 2 years ahead, flaky, unstable, vaporware that could become something important. But they won't know whether it's gold or shit until it's released and widely tested..
 

gubbyduffer

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One of the reasons, among the many already cited, that nobody is sitting on tech they've developed is that there's no way to find out all the flaws before putting it into release and using the market as a guinea pig. This holds true for both hardware and software. Software goes out, there are reports of mass destruction, and the author issues an update, and another, and another, as they patch the holes or unsuspected system/hardware conflicts. That's one reason why I never buy a new release of anything until it's been on the market for about 3 months.

As for how far advanced the tech is beyond what consumers get to see it's about 18 months to 2 years ahead, flaky, unstable, vaporware that could become something important. But they won't know whether it's gold or shit until it's released and widely tested..
Out of curiosity can you say what movies you have worked on? I love stories on VFX development and follow a good channel on YouTube called corridor Crew, where young modern FX experts react to VFX and cgi in film.
 
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The Bard Of Barlings
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Out of curiosity can you say what movies you have worked on? I love stories on VFX development and follow a good channel on YouTube called corridor Crew, where young modern FX experts react to VFX and cgi in film.
I've got credits on about 46 features, and did a lot of "after hours" tweaking on other films so as not to upset some "A" listers whose work needed a polish, as well as emergency triage of a few films. So altogether closer to 60 features, plus mini series, series, commercials, animated shows, etc, etc. It amounts to a few hundred projects and I really can't remember most of it. It kind of blurs together.

About 30 years ago, IMDB created a page on me, most of which is actually accurate, so this will be faster for you:

 

georged

Lifer
Mar 7, 2013
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I've got credits on about 46 features, and did a lot of "after hours" tweaking on other films so as not to upset some "A" listers whose work needed a polish, as well as emergency triage of a few films. So altogether closer to 60 features, plus mini series, series, commercials, animated shows, etc, etc. It amounts to a few hundred projects and I really can't remember most of it. It kind of blurs together.

About 30 years ago, IMDB created a page on me, most of which is actually accurate, so this will be faster for you:



But...

You being an expert in making the UNreal "become real" on a screen gives one pause when reading things like "your" IMDB page, doesn't it?

Hmmmm???

rotf
 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
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Is there any significance to the specific "Hollywood Power Couples" shown just below Jesse's page @ IMDB? I suspect random, and have little interest in "celebrities".
 

sablebrush52

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Is there any significance to the specific "Hollywood Power Couples" shown just below Jesse's page @ IMDB? I suspect random, and have little interest in "celebrities".
I never know what advertising is going to show up. It changes. Originally, like a lot of other sites when they first get launched, it was service oriented. Now it's kind of a bloated marketing suck.
 
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sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
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But...

You being an expert in making the UNreal "become real" on a screen gives one pause when reading things like "your" IMDB page, doesn't it?

Hmmmm???

rotf
It should. I have had a hell of a time getting films that I worked on added to that page, and films that I did not work on dropped from that page. And then there's the nonsense with the animated TV series where they say "worked on 3 episodes" or 5 episodes or some such other bullshit. Every animated series I've worked on I've worked on all episodes. I honestly don't know where they come up with that crap
 
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georged

Lifer
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Originally, like a lot of other sites when they first get launched, it was service oriented. Now it's kind of a bloated marketing suck.

Excuse me, sir...

Do you realize you are indirectly implying that Amazon and Google would take advantage of having become bigger than the economies all but fourteen countries on Earth?

That the accuracy and completeness of the information supplied by their online products might be steered by greed?

Surely you jest. :cry:



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sablebrush52

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gubbyduffer

Can't Leave
May 25, 2021
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I've got credits on about 46 features, and did a lot of "after hours" tweaking on other films so as not to upset some "A" listers whose work needed a polish, as well as emergency triage of a few films. So altogether closer to 60 features, plus mini series, series, commercials, animated shows, etc, etc. It amounts to a few hundred projects and I really can't remember most of it. It kind of blurs together.

About 30 years ago, IMDB created a page on me, most of which is actually accurate, so this will be faster for you:

I've got credits on about 46 features, and did a lot of "after hours" tweaking on other films so as not to upset some "A" listers whose work needed a polish, as well as emergency triage of a few films. So altogether closer to 60 features, plus mini series, series, commercials, animated shows, etc, etc. It amounts to a few hundred projects and I really can't remember most of it. It kind of blurs together.

About 30 years ago, IMDB created a page on me, most of which is actually accurate, so this will be faster for you:

I see from IMDB that you do matte painting work. I thinks that's cool as. I was always impressed by how realistic the matte painting work on Star Wars was through leafing through my 'Art of Star Wars' books. As well as the concept art of Ralph Mcquarrie. I just came across this pic of him on line
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sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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Excuse me, sir...

Do you realize you are indirectly implying that Amazon and Google would take advantage of having become bigger than the economies all but fourteen countries on Earth?

That the accuracy and completeness of the information supplied by their online products might be steered by greed?

Surely you jest. :cry:



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Remember when Amazon was just an online bookstore?
I see from IMDB that you do matte painting work. I thinks that's cool as. I was always impressed by how realistic the matte painting work on Star Wars was through leafing through my 'Art of Star Wars' books. As well as the concept art of Ralph Mcquarrie. I just came across this pic of him on line
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You would be surprised, if not shocked, at how "loosey goosey" traditional matte paintings are. Paint too tightly and with too much detail and they photograph looking fake. The trick was to find the correct mark that the lens and emulsion would change to look "real". What needed to be spot on were the values, from black to white. Also, you needed to be able to compute in your head how each batch of film would translate your colors since none of them were 100% accurate. And there were a couple of trick techniques, one using IP stock as a negative that gave you wonderful fine grain results, as long as you could compensate for the peculiar way IP stock "interpreted" colors, very different from regular negative stock.
 

Hillcrest

Lifer
Dec 3, 2021
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Connecticut, USA
In a similar vein, an attorney used ChatGPT to help prepare a legal brief when short on time. The program cited to non-existent case law, resulting in the attorney being sanctioned (for misleading the court with fake cases and then the cover up) and possibly facing licensing issues.

Sine we are apparently citing sources now:

Its even worse and now downloadable to cell phones:

There are already laws on the books that cover this but of course they will write news ones to show they are doing something for the people.
 
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