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Lurker
Feb 7, 2023
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18
Southern Illinois
I’m trying to date this Charatan so that I can properly list it on eBay. I really don’t know much about Charatans, so any help would be appreciated.
It says “Trafalgar”, “212”, “Charatan” in print, over “of London” in script, “REG° N°”, over “203573” on the stem, and then the CP logo (as pictured).
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jguss

Lifer
Jul 7, 2013
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As I recall the 203573 design patent was granted about 1965 for a term of 14 years, so that gives you the relevant range. Maybe someone else can help narrow that a bit further.
 

buroak

Lifer
Jul 29, 2014
2,126
1,025
NW Missouri
The stem logo may be the clue that most clearly narrows the dating. The C does not enter the P. According to Fabio Ferrara, that dates your pipe to as early as 1980, but probably later.
 

dingdong

Part of the Furniture Now
Apr 2, 2024
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Jakarta, Indonesia
older, pre-Dunhill pipes (Reuben and Lane era) should be marked CHARATAN'S MAKE, i believe. So this must be post-Dunhill acquisition...
 

jguss

Lifer
Jul 7, 2013
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Given the statutory 14 year design protection in effect in the Sixties the pipe was presumptively made between 1966-1980:

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If you believe that the pipe was made after Lane’s acquisition by Dunhill (and I’m agnostic on this point), which took place in the Spring of 1976, then the date of manufacture is narrowed to ~ 1976-1980:

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The Times, April 14, 1976
 

simong

Lifer
Oct 13, 2015
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UK
Modern production. I’ll guess yours is from the 90’s-00’s. The finish on your pipe is identical to a BC I used to have. Current Trafalgar pipes retail around the £70-£80 mark.
 
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