Mate your beef was with tobacco being incense like in reverence…………..I think. Now you’re changing tact and throwing slights about being lazy, let’s not forget the true smoke reference in Lent, you know the one where the palm fronds are burnt and your forehead is anointed with the ash.And, excluding non-christian indigenous people, they would be observing a Catholic rite why? I do acknowledge some other Christian religions also recognize Lent. But, non-Christian indigenous folk who also treat tobacco and other plant material with reverence? I doubt they observe Lent. At least, after some study, I can find no American indigenous people whose "native" religion observes Lent.
As an aside: Lumping all NA and SA indigenous peoples into a single group, with regards to their beliefs, ignores the many and significant differences between the various recognized groups with regard to their varied systems of beliefs regarding god, origins and such. See,s lazy to me but, that's simply my simple opinion.
All I did was suggest that smoke regardless of it‘s source was holy, nothing more and I stand by that.
Caveat: This does not include @Ahi Ka smoking his tyres, burning his rubbish, cooking a hāngī or walking with excess speed causing his jandals to smoke.Amen. This is why I do a burn out every morning in the school carpark after dropping the kids off
That's one speedy kiwi.or walking with excess speed causing his jandals to smoke.
Oh dang that would be an Easter feast in my book!I'll give up chicken livers. I've always hated chicken livers anyway.
Let it be an act of obedience. A sacred Poet of our own says, "The Scripture bids us fast, the Church says now" [G. Herbert]. Thus shall we do it more simply, not as any great thing; not as of our own will, but as an act of obedience; so will the remarks of others (if such there be) less disturb us, as knowing that we are doing but little, and that not of our own mind.
I doubt that most others of a different faith on this don't understand Lent.Folks from other backgrounds on a forum like this will not understand Lent (we struggle to understand it healthfully within the Church as it is!) and are not in a position to give you advice in keeping with your faith.
Good strength,
Scott
Oh is that we’re supposed to be doing? Can you just take my word for it that mine is smaller?Although the Roman church, since Vatican II, has handled Lent in a way that invites a whose-dick-is-bigger contest
I keep buying Whiskey but I treat it like medicine and therefore I never remember to drink it.I gave up drinking for Lent two years ago. And never started again. And I honestly don’t miss it now. That would be my vote!
Being Presbyterian, I wouldn’t venture to give you any advice beyond what Scott said. Except maybe read your BibleIt's difficult to know how to discuss this in light of Matt. 6:16-18, but that was part of the wisdom of the Church in standardizing expectations rather than leaving things to a choose-your-own-adventure.
Edward Pusey said,
Although the Roman church, since Vatican II, has handled Lent in a way that invites a whose-dick-is-bigger contest, prior to that the received fasting tradition in the West was one full meal plus one half meal a day. As for abstinence from meat, it was all Fridays through the year (except those that fall between Christmas and Epiphany) and all Wednesdays in Lent.
Although abstinence from sweets, alcohol, and tobacco was not officially requested, these abstinences were nevertheless the norm as in keeping with the spirit of the fast.
(And you know that Sundays are always "off Lent" in the West, right?)
Some traditions, such as Continuing Anglicanism, retain the traditional Western fasting norms, and Western Rite Orthodoxy is even more rigorous (one and 1/4 meal rather than 1/2, and no meat six days a week, not just Wednesdays and Fridays).
One advantage to standardized norms is that there's no "So what are you giving up for Lent?"
Losing your appetite is one of the natural responses to compunction. We've all been there. And most of us should be there more as it aids repentance and prepares us to rejoice more fully in the free forgiveness secured by Easter.
I'd encourage you to do this together with a group of faithful men in your parish or other nearby parishes. Seek spiritual camaraderie with them. Folks from other backgrounds on a forum like this will not understand Lent (we struggle to understand it healthfully within the Church as it is!) and are not in a position to give you advice in keeping with your faith.
Good strength,
Scott