Currently on my 5th shot of Bourbon. As for the jabs, no thanks. I got no issue with what you decide/don't decide to inject into your body......appreciate those that afford me the same.
My Fifth Pfizer Shot
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i don't care if people get their shot or not. Not my business. I had first two and a booster and still went through COVID.
I didn't get the shots because of common sense and due to the government pushing so hard. Calls to mind one of my favorite President Reagan quotes regarding the 9 most dangerous words "We're from the government, we're here to help you". By the time the shot was out for the new variant, there was a newer variant. What other vaccination in history required a booster every month or two?
Again, I have zero issue with those who choose to get the shots. Your body, your choice. I do take issue with those who believe they can control my choices. I had Covid early on, we less severe than a bad cold. Haven't had it since. If I contact it in the future and die, let it be known I bequeth my cellar of F&T Special Brown Flake to @AJL67 who seems to like it so much.
Again, I have zero issue with those who choose to get the shots. Your body, your choice. I do take issue with those who believe they can control my choices. I had Covid early on, we less severe than a bad cold. Haven't had it since. If I contact it in the future and die, let it be known I bequeth my cellar of F&T Special Brown Flake to @AJL67 who seems to like it so much.
Dibs on your Virginia Flake, FVF, Astley's 44, CVP, and Vintage.
"Be excellent to each other, and party on dudes!", to quote two most excellent philosophizers from the '80s. Seriously though, that is such an easy thing to do if everyone would shelf vanity and prejudice.
Il pass that along to my estate attorney. Your concern is touching Mike.Dibs on your Virginia Flake, FVF, Astley's 44, CVP, and Vintage.
Hope you are feeling well. Oh, and tell him I'd like your BBF too.Il pass that along to my estate attorney. Your concern is touching Mike.
You’re a good man, Charlie Brown
*screen cap at the request of my attorneys Dewey, Chetum and Howe*
I'm fully up to date. Vaccines don't terrify me, maybe because growing up in the 1950's we often had to take multiple vaccines for travel in certain parts of the US where more regional maladies could be encountered. Back then, people took their polio shots and other shots. There wasn't so much of this deranged paranoia.
The current vaccines aren't going to be an answer, as they are chasing variants. What's needed, and is being worked on, is a wide spectrum vaccine that targets a stable, non mutating portion of the virus. That's when this is actually behind us. In the meantime, I'll take whatever advantage I can.
People make their own risk assessments. I take precautions so that I don't need to worry about others not taking theirs. They make their choices, I make mine.
The current vaccines aren't going to be an answer, as they are chasing variants. What's needed, and is being worked on, is a wide spectrum vaccine that targets a stable, non mutating portion of the virus. That's when this is actually behind us. In the meantime, I'll take whatever advantage I can.
People make their own risk assessments. I take precautions so that I don't need to worry about others not taking theirs. They make their choices, I make mine.
Being an active healthy young man, I decided to not get the covid shot. I've had Covid once last year, and it was no different than anything else I've ever had. I don't get a flu shot either. Maybe when I'm old, weak and fragile I'll decide differently, but I'm going to let my immune system do what it's there to do like it has my entire life. Gotta keep it on its toes, afterall!
Oh, and regarding seeing people wearing masks everytime they leave their house and even in their cars driving by themselves....., do what makes you feel safe I guess
Oh, and regarding seeing people wearing masks everytime they leave their house and even in their cars driving by themselves....., do what makes you feel safe I guess
I heartedly agree! And I do appreciate that we can discuss such matters here with civility but also clarity.
However the subtle, or perhaps not so subtle intonations that taking these experimental shots is the best way to be decent, and not doing so is less than decent, is off-putting.
There is a whole lot more nuance to this situation, than is often permitted to be discussed. When people say they trust the science, what is plainly implied is that those who disagree are unscientific (I.e., moronic Luddites). The reality is that science is impartial; scientism on the other hand is not - it is a pretty subtle bait and switch utilized by those with no decency whatsoever to use science and scientists to subjugate others for nefarious ends.
Most people who are themselves not sociopaths cannot fathom the plans and desires of those who are. From THE Man himself (this one is actually IN the Bible): “be wise as serpents and gentle as doves”.
I’ll take clarity over agreement any day and twice on Sunday. Even so, Peace to the jabbed and unjabbed!
This thread is walking around with a "lock me" sign on its back.
Just sayin'.
Just sayin'.
I did the shots, all five. I don't think I drank any Koolaid. I once heard an eminent researcher who helped develop vaccines announce that she never took the annual flu shots, so that gave me a perspective. In Navy boot camp en route to coastal Vietnam, I had vaccines seemingly every other day, and was not offered a choice.
My wife and I are "of a certain age," and we each have several other vulnerabilities, so it is not just me I am deciding for. A couple who are friends have both just come down with the virus after all the shots.
I think it was Sir Thomas Moore who said, or maybe it was an actor playing him who said, "Each to the devil his own way." I hope we all end up in a good place, here and hereafter.
My wife and I are "of a certain age," and we each have several other vulnerabilities, so it is not just me I am deciding for. A couple who are friends have both just come down with the virus after all the shots.
I think it was Sir Thomas Moore who said, or maybe it was an actor playing him who said, "Each to the devil his own way." I hope we all end up in a good place, here and hereafter.
My son just came back from five weeks in Japan, and he went to a lot of concerts, hung out with musicians, hit the clubs and generally drank deeply of what was offered to him. Japan spent effort on creating an effective tracking system so they never had to shut down.
I asked him what percentage of people were masked and his reply was, "Everyone. They don't screw around with Covid in Japan."
To move away from personal opinions toward some data, cases and deaths, Japan VS the US:
georank.org
I asked him what percentage of people were masked and his reply was, "Everyone. They don't screw around with Covid in Japan."
To move away from personal opinions toward some data, cases and deaths, Japan VS the US:
Japan vs the United States Coronavirus cases: day by day comparison
Japan is 873 days behind the United States in terms of the number of coronavirus cases per 100,000 people: 26594 vs 34391. Japan - 33,803,572 and The United States - 111,820,082... See the table of by date comparison...
georank.org
Very fair points. The line I draw when it comes to decency, at least as it regards this specific topic of vaccinations, is not whether someone gets a vaccine or not; the vaccines do more to protect the vaccinated than those around you to begin with, after all. The line is the why.
If a person doesn't get vaccinated because they have legitimate fears that are substantiated by some real evidence, or perhaps they don't because they simply cannot, etc., then that is fine. I don't want to force anyone to get vaccinated for something like this, at least. But if a person's reason for not getting a vaccine is because they want to "own the libs," or because they actively brag about not giving a damn about the consequences ("I'm gonna die someday, so what?"), then yea, those people kinda suck, at least in my eyes. They don't care about me or anyone's safety and agency in the least, and when that is pointed out to them, they either brag about it or act like they are some persecuted victim and martyr.
I'm not interested in browbeating people or getting too preachy about this; this is a very well-trodden topic to begin with. But, as you said, clarity is preferable to consensus, and I didn't want to imply that I think people who don't get vaccinated are necessarily morally inferior or somesuch. Like, for me, Briar's story was cool because he saw someone who was vulnerable and it reminded him to be more mindful not just for that man's sake, but his also. I think that is the way to be.
My wife had the same exact diagnosis in November 2019. Guess what the doctor prescribed? Ivermectin. That's the only reason we even knew what that drug was before it went all political.
Not being political here, just stating facts.
Moderna problems call for Moderna solutions.
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