Monarch Butterflies now Listed : Endangered

[Puffaluffaguss]

All I can definitively say is Humans Suck. We are the reason that alot of the stuff we had as children won't be around for our grandchildren and great grandchildren. They are the ones who will suffer in certain ways we never could imagine. Life on earth is like a contradiction. We love life and nature and family and friends and entertainment and so on. But we know the more we indulge ourselves the less our future will be able to enjoy the simple things we take for granted everyday.

 

[puff_not_snuff]

All I can definitively say is Humans Suck. We are the reason that alot of the stuff we had as children won't be around for our grandchildren and great grandchildren. They are the ones who will suffer in certain ways we never could imagine. Life on earth is like a contradiction. We love life and nature and family and friends and entertainment and so on. But we know the more we indulge ourselves the less our future will be able to enjoy the simple things we take for granted everyday.

Well, we all make garbage and want are garbage to be hauled off but no one wants a garbage dump close enough that they can see or smell it. That's pretty much the sum of humanity.

Anyway, I'm going to proactive and order a bunch of native milkweed seeds today and start seed bombing my neighborhood and beyond.

 

[telescopes]

The idea that you can not be a supporter of fiscal conservative values, value individualism, and value families while supporting environmentalism at the same type is repugnant. Clean air, clean water, functional forests, and wild spaces are extremely congruent with a conservative viewpoint. Of course our climate and planet have natural cycles. But these cycles don’t include the impact of seven billion people.

 

[Elric]

Well, we all make garbage and want are garbage to be hauled off but no one wants a garbage dump close enough that they can see or smell it. That's pretty much the sum of humanity.

Anyway, I'm going to proactive and order a bunch of native milkweed seeds today and start seed bombing my neighborhood and beyond.

It may be a bit late. We have a lot of milkweed on our property and found zero Monarch caterpillars this year. :-(

 

[LotusEater]

This is an interesting related read- it is a bit long but it covers a lot of ground.
If you don’t want to read the whole thing you could just skip to the “Changing Our World” section.

Have humans evolved beyond nature – and do we even need it?

The answer lies in determining what we are and what we want to become.

theconversation.com

 

[puff_not_snuff]

It may be a bit late. We have a lot of milkweed on our property and found zero Monarch caterpillars this year. :-(

Oh well... hopefully they find it next year! Also, you don't know where those milkweed seeds were blown off to, maybe their is some large patch of it somewhere, due to that on your property with a happy tribe of Monarchs.

 

[kcghost]

We haven't shown even a sliver of in interest in giving up the things we are doing that may be causing this.

 

[telescopes]

This is an interesting related read- it is a bit long but it covers a lot of ground.
If you don’t want to read the whole thing you could just skip to the “Changing Our World” section.

Have humans evolved beyond nature – and do we even need it?

The answer lies in determining what we are and what we want to become.

theconversation.com

It is a good read and I find that I agree with many of the thoughts of the author. For reasons that this forum isn't the place to go to deep into these discussions, I will add that I disagree that it will be possible to place our "minds" into a machine form. There is some thought that the soul - something that exceeds the limitations of our physical being, has its roots in the quantum world. Andrew Huberman has suggested that perhaps these mechanical minds will be more akin to zombies in that their self awareness would not be the same as that of a biological creature. But who knows. Thanks for sharing.

 

[puff_not_snuff]

Are we not Men?

 

[Kobold]

Are we not Men?

We are Devo!

 

[puff_not_snuff]

We haven't shown even a sliver of in interest in giving up the things we are doing that may be causing this.

I do a little but not really much in the scheme of things. I try my best to avoid supermarkets by growing vegetables and shopping at farmers markets from vendors whose practices I trust but it's almost a luxury to do so and most people likely don't have access to such things. I get the feeling now when I enter a supermarket that it's just so absurd that this is how we fee ourselves these days, they sell such a vast amount of crap we don't need and as far as fruits and vegetables: they are shipped from so far away they barely even taste like what they are, if they have any flavor at all, yet still I go to these sad temples of consumerism totally out of touch with the food chain and buy some junk they are peddling when the urge strikes, so shame on me.

 

[anotherbob]

What do you mean? I want to understand this.

basically we've spent more time plains and woods hunting and gathering and our minds really are more set up for that then this modern information age. We've built a world that doesn't always work with our nature too good. Even the work week and being as active and productive with little regards to the seasons isn't how we've been built. I'd probably explain it better if I a little more awake and less distracted.
In this context though for most of the time we've been here there wouldn't be a way for people to even guess what kind of effect they might have on a larger world then where they've roamed. So why would our minds waste that effort and time on something that until recently was pretty much completely unknowable?

 

[LotusEater]

It is a good read and I find that I agree with many of the thoughts of the author. For reasons that this forum isn't the place to go to deep into these discussions, I will add that I disagree that it will be possible to place our "minds" into a machine form. There is some thought that the soul - something that exceeds the limitations of our physical being, has its roots in the quantum world. Andrew Huberman has suggested that perhaps these mechanical minds will be more akin to zombies in that their self awareness would not be the same as that of a biological creature. But who knows. Thanks for sharing.

This could (maybe should) have been a thread topic on its own.
Thanks for taking the time to read it. I understand that this is not the place to delve into the reasons you might have for agreeing or disagreeing with the author. One of the things I liked about this article is that I found it to be far more philosophical than political. It isn’t really angry or accusatory (imho).

 

[telescopes]

One of the things I liked about this article is that I found it to be far more philosophical than political. It isn’t really angry or accusatory (imho).

It was refreshingly consistent with many of the advances in evolutionary biology and anthropology. It is clear that we are rapidly advancing beyond our evolutionary development and when we hit the threshold barrier, a reset of some kind will happen. Most likely, the species will cull itself and what survives will be more adapted for what comes next in terms of evolutionary development. Either that are we make room for cockroaches.

 

[puff_not_snuff]

Well it's clear that developments in technology is out pacing human evolution by a lot. I wouldn't even care to guess by how much.

I was some what reminded of this thread when I read this earlier. I stopped eating octopi a few years ago.

The mysterious inner life of the octopus

Octopuses are problem-solvers, mischief-makers and notorious escape artists. They also appear to have a rich inner life – so what is it like to be an octopus?

www.bbc.com

 

[olkofri]

There are a number of serious environmental problems but they're mostly either being ignored or further exacerbated in favor of focusing on the fake and corrupt pseudoscience of "climate change from carbon emissions"... and the psychotic agenda behind it.

This. Precisely.

Just excuses for more ecohoaxes pushed to expand gov't control and continue killing the national industries and bankrupting everyone. How are you gonna own nothing otherwise?

Like the new bullshit regulations to protect the pileated woodpecker, barring logging for 5 years if a single bird is seen nesting in a tree; and then monitoring the tree constantly to see if the bird comes back or abandons it; once it's abandoned the lustrum countdown begins... and... it gets RESET if a woodpecker lands on the tree within the 5 year period!! Protection my ass, it's all about killing the logging industry.

 

[telescopes]

This. Precisely.

Just excuses for more ecohoaxes pushed to expand gov't control and continue killing the national industries and bankrupting everyone. How are you gonna own nothing otherwise?

Like the new bullshit regulations to protect the pileated woodpecker, barring logging for 5 years if a single bird is seen nesting in a tree; and then monitoring the tree constantly to see if the bird comes back or abandons it; once it's abandoned the lustrum countdown begins... and... it gets RESET if a woodpecker lands on the tree within the 5 year period!! Protection my ass, it's all about killing the logging industry.

This is what you get when conservatives abandon the discussion and the leadership. Sensible solutions go by the wayside.

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

This is what you get when conservatives abandon the discussion and the leadership. Sensible solutions go by the wayside.

Sounds like a threat.

There are no solutions to a problem that doesn't exist.

You can't reason with psychopaths who despise humanity.

 

[olkofri]

 

[LotusEater]

Sounds like a threat.

There are no solutions to a problem that doesn't exist.

You can't reason with psychopaths who despise humanity.

How could it possibly be a threat?
It was an observation. There was no action implied