Who gives a shit about that canary? We've got mining to do!
Monarch Butterflies now Listed : Endangered
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The statistics In that article are totally loaded..
What is this canary? Show me one.
I've had two Monarch Butterflys in my yard recently; and two others a few weeks before that but I did find the wings of one on the lawn one afternoon and it had obviously been eaten by something. I suspect a bird got it. The birds have been voracious eaters this year.
Natural earth cycles like the centuries long mini ice age.
As for the decline ... it is attributed to several things; first there were severe winter storms in Mexico in the areas where they overwinter which wiped out a large percentage of their overall flock several times in the last 17 years. Secondly, the overuse of herbicides on corn and soy that have been genetically modified to resist herbicides wiped out the milkweed plants on which they feed thereby killing the butterflies. Wasn't genetically modified corn and soybean a green project to reduce dependence on oil derived gasoline ???
I seem to recall Willie Nelson investing or talking about it. Interestingly the Monarch Butterfly has long been considered a symbol of summertime freedom to kids in America. Ironic !
Who is buying up all the farmland in America and doing this ? Not small time farmers... their European counterparts are now being offered money to stop farming !!!
I say "Trust the Science!" ... maybe the people using all this science to help us should stop helping us for awhile so everything can return to normal. It seems they don't take into consideration the effect of what they do on other living things.
This is all on the internet from readily available source of both political persuasions so therefore neutral.
I seem to recall Willie Nelson investing or talking about it. Interestingly the Monarch Butterfly has long been considered a symbol of summertime freedom to kids in America. Ironic !
Who is buying up all the farmland in America and doing this ? Not small time farmers... their European counterparts are now being offered money to stop farming !!!
I say "Trust the Science!" ... maybe the people using all this science to help us should stop helping us for awhile so everything can return to normal. It seems they don't take into consideration the effect of what they do on other living things.
This is all on the internet from readily available source of both political persuasions so therefore neutral.
Why would you wonder? My response isn't to the article. However, if I were to write what I was really thinking, this thread, one that has an important message, would veer off and get locked. I am pretty certain you knew exactly what my message meant. I have no doubt that those for whom it was intended understood it completely. I am pretty certain it will veer off, but I hope not. Look, if you want to pound the ground and deny the obvious based on a belief that 8 Billion people in no way can impact the earth's environment for the worse, feel free. No one is stopping you. I wonder what happens when too many rabbits are let loose in Australia. Nah, if people can't impact the environment negatively, I don't think rabbits can, right? Anyway, lighten up, no one really cares. It's all in good fun.
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And many of these cycles are not yet identified.
The whatever post was not in reference to your thread, or the fact that Monarchs might be gone.. It would suck if they're gone.
I was only referencing the data in that article.. Just seems like more of the same kind of statistical trickery.
Every thousand years the poles shift and there are dramatic weather cycles for 100-150 years before and after ... that phenomenon (dramatic weather) has been recorded going back several millennia BC in recorded history in the east and europe. But ... one has to actually have to research it, look it up and read it.
I cannot and will not work so hard to sift through a veiled insult.
But dude.. You live in the desert, It looks like the surface of the moon in your back yard.. and it's always looked like that. That has nothing to do with climate change.. It's confirmation bias.
I have, fascinating stuff. Some even attribute the effects on trees of the last mini ice age as being why the violins produced by Stradivari have the qualities that they do.
I thought it was because he used old growth maple then soaked it before bending it to fit so as to assist the harmonic wave effect. (The face board vibrates I think). But ... I can see that if he knew what was best wood he would use it even if he didn't know the why...
Then why do you keep responding? I didn't reply to you first. I didn't even mention you. That seems like some unnecessary work. Veiled insult. There wasn't anything veiled about it. It was a polite insult, because we smokers are a polite people. Now play with your cats while I nap in my moonscape.
No, silly, that's the water trough for the mountain lions that come off of Santa Rosa. They are thirsty little critters., LOL
I thought it was a watering trough for a pipe smoking walrus.
I have three goats about to cross a bridge. Be nice to them.
@Chasing Embers - I went outside for a quick smoke and a yellow Monarch Butterfly rapidly flew out of the backyard, across the driveway over my head to the hillside and said "Thank Chasing Embers for bringing attention to our plight !" ... I was surprised ... they're usually not that talkative !
I've left a zone on my property untouched for the past couple of years that has a lot of milkweed and wildflowers just for the butterflies and hummingbirds. Hopefully I can attract some Monarchs.@Chasing Embers - I went outside for a quick smoke and a yellow Monarch Butterfly rapidly flew out of the backyard, across the driveway over my head to the hillside and said "Thank Chasing Embers for bringing attention to our plight !" ... I was surprised ... they're usually not that talkative !
A friend of mine has a trumpet bush and habiscus on her deck and hummingbird feeders along the rail and when they have dinner outside the hummingbirds fly all around checking out the drinks and people. A little overboard maybe but fun to watch them feed.
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