Yeah for me I don't care what people use, but don't try to make everything a lifestyle or cultural thing. Pot is pot, it does somethings good and somethings bad depending on how it is used. When someone uses and changes their whole persona to 'The Dude' from the Big Lewboski we all know this is most likely not going to be a good end result. People just need to use things for what they are and not try to make an identity out of them.
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@deuceswild818 Yeah, I think there is likely something problematic going on when someone shapes their entire persona into a cliche stereotype. 'The Dude' typically plays out much better on screen than the real life version.
I love Bukowski but don't really consider him a reliable resource for certain information. Especially when the counter point is alcoholics are good people.
BROBS,
I beg to differ.
Bukowski had a lot to say about society and humanity and his observation was never corrupted or superficial.
I beg to differ.
Bukowski had a lot to say about society and humanity and his observation was never corrupted or superficial.
Poets often have a lot to say. Never corrupted? Depends on your definition of corruption or sullying.
This thread exists in a dream state where rule #7 doesn't apply.
Couldn't possibly disagree more. There have been few poets in the world that were able to provide the sense of nostalgia, relation to thought, and surprisingly poignant observations as Hank. Was he intelligent? Not really. Was a genius? Certainly not. Was he a good man? Couldn't be more generally abhorrent in many ways.
But the man had a special talent for observation of the human experience in his little corner of the world, and a skill to relate that experience to a wide variety of readers in their little corners of the world in a few very simple lines.
The poet laureate of back alleys and bar fights, drunken arguments and broken prostitutes, and all manner of sordid goings on in some of the dankest, and darkest pockets of the American life. But somehow able to translate those experiences into a thought provoking revelation of humanity that could touch people in all walks of life.
He was a drunken, chauvinistic, abusive, degenerate gambling, self centered asshole. But I rarely discuss American poetry with anyone without his name coming up, and for good reason. His writing went beyond the word, the line, the rhyme, the structure, (in fact it largely completely ignored it) and got straight to the only important thing that poems provide. Feeling. His poems are probably the most structurally and subjectively ugly that can be found. It some of the most beautiful work I have ever read.
That being said, on this particular subject, he is clearly applying his own (very understandable in his case) opinion to the general population. Some things work for him, other things work for others. That's just the way it is.
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What I mean is foremost that Buk was a solitary writer.
He never belonged to any literary movement, or any political or religious ideology.
Buk delved on themes close to politics sometimes and he lived in a time where movements like the Beats co-existed at publishers but he always did his own thing with a sound distance to groups and gatherings of all kinds.
Sometimes he is lumped in with the Beats by critics that didn't do their homework, nothing could be more wrong.
I meant irrelevant to this subject. Not disputing his literary influence. One may as well post anyone’s quoted opinion on the subject.
Cesar Vallejo is an incredibly smart and influential man... does his opinion matter on this subject as well?
Yeah I think it is discussing the product and use in particular, probably not in an enforcement or policy nature....I may be wrong though.
I agree with you on that note. This clip is clearly an opine based on nothing but his personal opinions and anecdotal observations.