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doug535

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Absolutely horrible. We were headed back to KC from the Chicago pipe show, my mother contacted me while we were on the way to see if we were Ok. Luckily we took I-80 and had nothing but rain through Illinois.
 
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Economic downturn, housing crisis, bank runs, bank failures, huge dust storms on the great planes, growing societal division... We've seen this movie before, and it ended poorly. Better start stocking up on corrugated tin and scrap wood so you can build your hooverville shanty. View attachment 219651great_depression_shacks-apha-200330.jpg
 
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mso489

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I took the train from Chicago to Springfield as a teenager and spent some of the ride outdoors between two passenger cars watching (and smelling) that dark topsoil roll by. It's easy to see how heavy wind would would build and threaten over that unimpeded prairie landscape. On a pretty summer day it smells like baking bread and looks like an endless food supply.

But Illinois storms are famously dramatic, not sultry and soaking like in the South, but powerful and sudden. Our basement at home used to flood, and so would the street. A friend and I made the evening news rowing down the street in my family rowboat.

Even pulling over in low visibility is dangerous, since people are swerving off the road. I guess pull way off the road if you can, or as far as you can.
 
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hawky454

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:( it's kind of amazing how dangerous driving can be. Sadly like a lot of things it can turn in a moment.
And it’s even more terrifying to think how many sovereign citizens are behind the wheel, their numbers are growing rapidly. If you haven’t heard of these guys they believe the law doesn’t apply to them, so they are on the roads with no insurance, registration or a license. They’ve confused the right to travel with driving a motor vehicle… they’re ignorant and proud, it’s freaky.

My heart goes out to all the people that have been affected by this terrible accident.
 

anotherbob

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And it’s even more terrifying to think how many sovereign citizens are behind the wheel, their numbers are growing rapidly. If you haven’t heard of these guys they believe the law doesn’t apply to them, so they are on the roads with no insurance, registration or a license. They’ve confused the right to travel with driving a motor vehicle… they’re ignorant and proud, it’s freaky.

My heart goes out to all the people that have been affected by this terrible accident.
I was just telling someone about them. And how they think that there is a loophole that means laws don't apply.
 
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captpat

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It's amazing how many vehicles can be involved in crashes on an interstate due to a sudden loss of visibility. Whether dust storms, snow, or fog the results are usually the same. The situation is exacerbated when folks exceed the speed limits, don't maintain proper spacing or over-drive the conditions.
 
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hawky454

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I was just telling someone about them. And how they think that there is a loophole that means laws don't apply.
Van Balion’s YT channel is fun to watch, his channel runs clips of all their failures of driving illegally. Most of them are deplorable to the police, I really feel bad that they have to put up with that crap. I have to admit, it’s quite satisfying to watch them fail miserably.
 

Briar Lee

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The absolute polar opposite of sovereign citizens are the Amish, Mennonites, and old time Christian Church members (Campbellites). Of those three I happened to be born a Campbellite.

There is a passage in the Good Book which says “Render to Caesar that which is his, and to Me that which is mine.”

From that little passage primitive Christians are taught to be utterly law abiding.

There are stop signs around the area I grew up on gravel roads five miles from any possible law enforcement.

I’ve sat in an old barn and watched Amish in their buggies approach an isolated stop sign and each and every time, they’ll pull up to a complete stop, no traffic for miles.

But even if the entire world was Campbellite (we drive nice cars) there’d still be mass accidents like this one, only rarely.

God sees every sparrow when it falls, but God doesn’t shoot sparrows.

A dust storm on an interstate is going to kill sinner and disciple alike.

That’s why my father took the two lane on our Colorado vacations instead of being a part of the herd on the interstate.
 

anotherbob

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It's amazing how many vehicles can be involved in crashes on an interstate due to a sudden loss of visibility. Whether dust storms, snow, or fog the results are usually the same. The situation is exacerbated when folks exceed the speed limits, don't maintain proper spacing or over-drive the conditions.
so many people just don't understand that safe speeds involve considering the highly unexpected. The one though that gets me around here are the number of people that either need lines on a road to stay on their side or treat less packed roads like they're the only ones on it. The only accident I almost got into was on a blind turn and the idiot was completely in my lane and I've seen people do that on certain roads so many times. Not paying attention to the lanes on certain roads until they see another car.
 
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anotherbob

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Van Balion’s YT channel is fun to watch, his channel runs clips of all their failures of driving illegally. Most of them are deplorable to the police, I really feel bad that they have to put up with that crap. I have to admit, it’s quite satisfying to watch them fail miserably.
I don't always agree with the police I don't think all of them are good (not going to get into percentages, but every job has people that are either just bad at the job or got into the job for the wrong reasons), but even if I have to disagree with a police office I don't see any point in being a jerk or adding unneeded stress. On one level just the fact that it's pretty pointless to argue sometimes. And also they have to deal with so many people at their worst already why not cut them some slack and not giving them one more idiot jerk to deal with. So to me it's not just pointless it's also pointlessly rude.
I have known a few cops and more then the things people talk about the two things that seem to come up as the worst part of dealing with the public are dealing with people that are pointlessly jerks (I would use stronger words but trying to follow the rules), and then seeing the seedy under belly of society a lot more then most people do. Things like getting domestic calls for families that everyone else thinks are doing great. Drunks. ETC.
 
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Briar Lee

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Think about it a minute.

About 70 people every one just, like us, are driving down the interstate exactly as we have done countless times.

There’s a dust storm. That’s nobody’s fault. It’s not God’s will either, or part of any master plan. It’s just chance. A hundred years ago it would have hurt no one.

But the dust blinds one driver, who slows down and another hits them and a chain reaction causes 70 crashes. The misery is incalculable.

But common sense says at least a few fortunate souls almost crashed and avoided collisions.

And of course there were no horse and buggy Amish on the interstate at all.:)

I was taught to live each day like it was going to be Judgement Day for me, and I’d face my Master.

I travel the interstates, but only when it’s impractical not to.

It just ain’t safe, hundreds of cars and trucks running over 70mph side by side, you know?
 
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hawky454

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I don't always agree with the police I don't think all of them are good (not going to get into percentages, but every job has people that are either just bad at the job or got into the job for the wrong reasons), but even if I have to disagree with a police office I don't see any point in being a jerk or adding unneeded stress. On one level just the fact that it's pretty pointless to argue sometimes. And also they have to deal with so many people at their worst already why not cut them some slack and not giving them one more idiot jerk to deal with. So to me it's not just pointless it's also pointlessly rude.
I have known a few cops and more then the things people talk about the two things that seem to come up as the worst part of dealing with the public are dealing with people that are pointlessly jerks (I would use stronger words but trying to follow the rules), and then seeing the seedy under belly of society a lot more then most people do. Things like getting domestic calls for families that everyone else thinks are doing great. Drunks. ETC.
Yeah, I agree. I certainly have had a run in with a bad officer in my younger days but overall they’ve mostly been fair with me but luckily I haven’t had a run in with them after my adolescent years. The last place you want to cause trouble is at a traffic stop, on the side of the road. That should be common sense but these buttheads have a real problem with authority so they will do whatever they can to get the upper hand. They basically have a script they go by. Part of that script is demanding their supervisor, so much of the time they end up holding up precious recourses just to try to talk their way out of a ticket (usually ends up in several tickets and/or jail time).

The way I see it is, being a cop is pretty much an impossible job, it doesn’t pay all that well and even good people can eventually turn jaded. I know I couldn’t do that job, I certainly wouldn’t want to.
 
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Economic downturn, housing crisis, bank runs, bank failures, huge dust storms on the great planes, growing societal division... We've seen this movie before, and it ended poorly. Better start stocking up on corrugated tin and scrap wood so you can build your hooverville shanty. View attachment 219651View attachment 219652
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anotherbob

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Yeah, I agree. I certainly have had a run in with a bad officer in my younger days but overall they’ve mostly been fair with me but luckily I haven’t had a run in with them after my adolescent years.
I have had a few bad ones. I got detained by an overzealous cop who was still a massive jerk after they caught the guy. I should have reported him. If I am totally honest my observation is that in a large part it comes down to the department and their policies.
The last place you want to cause trouble is at a traffic stop, on the side of the road. That should be common sense but these buttheads have a real problem with authority so they will do whatever they can to get the upper hand. They basically have a script they go by. Part of that script is demanding their supervisor, so much of the time they end up holding up precious recourses just to try to talk their way out of a ticket (usually ends up in several tickets and/or jail time).
One of the things I love about their advice is that it is a script and it sometimes is good if you're hauled in on suspicion on a big crime. The fact that they treat being pulled over or questioned by the police on a minor issue, the same way you might want to treat being questioned about a mysterious disappearance.
The way I see it is, being a cop is pretty much an impossible job, it doesn’t pay all that well and even good people can eventually turn jaded. I know I couldn’t do that job, I certainly wouldn’t want to.
It's largely not as dangerous as people say (One job I had my client was a hospital in an area with some of the worst areas for violent crime in the country and the police injuries mostly came from being out in bad weather slip and falls driving in bad weather and rarely being punched. Delivery drives, convenience store clerks, cab drivers got murder or shot regularly). But even if the worst thing they dealt with were annoying drunks it's still a stressful job.
Since we're on the subject. I felt like this one eye opening experience I had online was seeing a bunch of videos involving police and confrontations. The thing that stood out is the same idiots said the same things about all the videos. One of them (from a body cam by the way) a cop stops a guy walking down the street. The guy cooperates except asking what he's being arrested for. The cop punches the guy who is cuffed. Another one the perp (and she was definitely a perp) tried to scratch the cops face and eyes. He was a little rough but totally well with in the lines of reasonable force in cuffing her while she continued to try and fight him. The same people said the same things about both of those. Oh they have a stressful job and they're all heros. They're all power hungry thugs. Like nope those are totally different things. I had to comment on the second one. My comment was I don't even care what job the guy is doing anyone at all had the right to do more then he did to defend themselves from that. If someone you're not attacking tried to scratch your eyes you are completely allowed to kick their ass thoroughly and he didn't even do that.
 
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