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condorlover1

Lifer
Dec 22, 2013
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No. It has to be clay as that wears away the teeth and leaves a space caused by clenching the pipe. Modern acrylic does not have the abrasive action necessary to wear down the teeth as far as I know.
 
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Nov 20, 2022
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Oh, I meant lying about being dead... JK puffy

I think the reason many people lie to their doctor is because of their insurance premiums going up if they are a tobacco user.
As a physician, I totally agree. Lying is not smart, because as stated above it may be important in giving you good health advice. Smoking an Alcohol are big issues for getting a reliable history. Most physicians don't care and there is no judgment, but we are required to ask.

There is a reason we are required to ask. They are building a data base, and soon it will be used against you. Your ESG score (or similar) will be affected, and it is only a matter of time before we start seeing that being used in every day life.
 
Nov 20, 2022
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No. It has to be clay as that wears away the teeth and leaves a space caused by clenching the pipe. Modern acrylic does not have the abrasive action necessary to wear down the teeth as far as I know.
While that is true, the firmness in the teeth will change your bite just as a dental appliance would. This affect is minimal, but the more you have a bit in your mouth and the harder you bite will determine the effect. Any dentists out there??
 

Hillcrest

Lifer
Dec 3, 2021
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19,720
Connecticut, USA
As a physician, I totally agree. Lying is not smart, because as stated above it may be important in giving you good health advice. Smoking an Alcohol are big issues for getting a reliable history. Most physicians don't care and there is no judgment, but we are required to ask.

There is a reason we are required to ask. They are building a data base, and soon it will be used against you. Your ESG score (or similar) will be affected, and it is only a matter of time before we start seeing that being used in every day life.
On recent hospital and hospital owned practice visits the receptionists asked many questions about mental health ... they laughed when I told them I wasn't a politician and don't have those issues but it was still a bit disconcerting and obvious someone was doing a survey/study/database for nefarious purposes. I trust my doctors but not the institutions for whom they work where major decisions seem to be made by people who have no idea about medicine or medical treatment. As for smoking they only seem to be concerned with and note cigarette usage not cigars or pipes.
 

SBC

Lifer
Oct 6, 2021
1,643
7,751
NE Wisconsin
As a physician, I totally agree. Lying is not smart, because as stated above it may be important in giving you good health advice. Smoking an Alcohol are big issues for getting a reliable history. Most physicians don't care and there is no judgment, but we are required to ask.

There is a reason we are required to ask. They are building a data base, and soon it will be used against you. Your ESG score (or similar) will be affected, and it is only a matter of time before we start seeing that being used in every day life.

I'm trying to process what strikes me as a dissonance in this post. Can you help me out?
On the one hand, you advise openness about those things which physicians (such as yourself) are required to ask.
On the other hand, you warn that these requisite queries have to do with a coming dystopian social credit score.
The latter doesn't endear me to the former. Could you comment further, Friend?
 
Yeh, we know from skulls that the clay pipes will abrade away a notch in the teeth, from the abrasive nature of unfinished clay.

Yeh, I think that I can decide whether smoking a pipe is causing me health problems without the doctor knowing, and apparently putting me on some sort of list. My dentist though is my first line of defence for mouth cancer, which is one of the issues that pipe smokers should be aware of. My dentist is a Dunhill enthusiast, and understands pipesmoker's concerns about insurance, so I am completely honest with him.
He also is very discreet about removing bullets and stitching up knife wounds... I'm kidding, haha. puffy
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greysmoke

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The only data I've seen on this topic is nearly 60 years old: the U.S. Surgeon General's Report on Smoking and Health from 1964. Here's a link from the Wayback Machine: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-SMOKINGANDHEALTH/pdf/GPO-SMOKINGANDHEALTH.pdf. That report found little difference in death rates between pipe smokers and non smokers. The study didn't take certain factors into account. For example, in the 1960s pipe smokers were thought to be more affluent than cigarette smokers. (Pipe smoking in these days is much cheaper than cigarettes, so that may no longer be true.) More affluent people tend to have better health care, hence, they may live longer. Anyway, that's just one study from 1964. FWIW.
 

FLDRD

Lifer
Oct 13, 2021
2,375
9,700
Arkansas
As a physician, I totally agree. Lying is not smart, because as stated above it may be important in giving you good health advice. Smoking an Alcohol are big issues for getting a reliable history. Most physicians don't care and there is no judgment, but we are required to ask.

There is a reason we are required to ask. They are building a data base, and soon it will be used against you. Your ESG score (or similar) will be affected, and it is only a matter of time before we start seeing that being used in every day life.
And they are forcing questions about gun ownership into the field as well; of course for similar tracking purposes.
 

JimPM

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Mar 14, 2021
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I've been dabbling with pipes and cigars for 40 years and half of that with religious conviction to daily smoking, multiple sessions at that. At 60, I have absolutely no health-related issues.
 
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My oft-cited example is my dad. He probably started smoking at age 15 and smoked continuously during his first career working life, usually from just after breakfast, and all day at work, until bedtime, with time out for meals.

He owned one fully functional pipe at a time, with maybe a near burn-out as a back-up, and smoked only Granger from the foil pouch.

He quit smoking cold turkey at age 65 to take a job at a non-smoking campus.

He lived until he was 89, well into his 90th year, and remained licensed to drive without glasses his entire life.

During his smoking years, he did a few years without the pipe, when he smoked on the same schedule with King Edward cigars, and then he went back to his pipe.

None of his ailments in his final years related to smoking that he or his doctors knew.

None of this means that I (or anyone else) will be as lucky, but that was his experience. He had good genes. His grandfather lived into his nineties, as did his aunts. All were ambulatory and active most of their old age.
Coming from a counselor (MH) perspective but also a common-sense perspective: genetics×environment×protective factors×exposure frequency/duration results in the health-related lung, heart, cancer, and other factors and varies person to person...
 
Nov 20, 2022
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Wisconsin
I'm trying to process what strikes me as a dissonance in this post. Can you help me out?
On the one hand, you advise openness about those things which physicians (such as yourself) are required to ask.
On the other hand, you warn that these requisite queries have to do with a coming dystopian social credit score.
The latter doesn't endear me to the former. Could you comment further, Friend?
No dissonance. Openness is important for you personally with your physician to get the best healthcare. The warning is about the governmental influence on the healthcare system which I do not advocate nor agree with. They will know if you are a smoker anyways. It is not 'coming' as we are already getting manipulated at the corporate level with ESG scores (Dylan Mulvaney anyone?) and not dystopian as it is well ingrained within society worldwide (full fledged in China). I am not a conspiracy theorist, these are the ugly facts of our society today.

It is not endearing. It is not smart to lie about your health to those who are trying to care for you. Both can be true.
 

OverMountain

Lifer
Dec 5, 2021
1,406
5,035
NOVA
No dissonance. Openness is important for you personally with your physician to get the best healthcare. The warning is about the governmental influence on the healthcare system which I do not advocate nor agree with. They will know if you are a smoker anyways. It is not 'coming' as we are already getting manipulated at the corporate level with ESG scores (Dylan Mulvaney anyone?) and not dystopian as it is well ingrained within society worldwide (full fledged in China). I am not a conspiracy theorist, these are the ugly facts of our society today.

It is not endearing. It is not smart to lie about your health to those who are trying to care for you. Both can be true.
Doc, what exactly goes in your “records” for pipe smoking? Are you tagged with some code the government used to track trends lr
Metadata?
 
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