Kansas City Bans Smoking In Your Own Home If You're Poor
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In my humble opinion the government should have the ability to raise revenue to maintain the armed forces and pay Federal representatives 100% of the average wage after 15 years in commerce or a professional field and everything else is a states issue.
I think this is an antiquated depiction of people needing assistance these days. 50-60 years ago that argument might have had some (tho still very little IMHO) validity. The economy is in dire straits right now and so I don't think it's fair to categorize people on assistance as lazy good for nothings getting drunk on our tax dollars.
Six, don't misunderstand me.
Many people need, and deserve assistance, in my mind.
That's why I said "someone", not "everyone" on social assistance.
I didn't characterize everyone on assistance as "lazy good for nothings".
Many people need, and deserve assistance, in my mind.
That's why I said "someone", not "everyone" on social assistance.
I didn't characterize everyone on assistance as "lazy good for nothings".
I did two three-month projects for the Salvation Army's Angel Tree program, where kind folks donate clothes and toys for little poor kids, who otherwise would get no Christmas at all. There's a special week called the Week of Distribution, where the families come in and you get to actually hand them the bags of toys and clothes, so you're interested in seeing if they're 'career welfarists', or just plain poor (because you can totally tell), and I'm here to say, almost all of them were just plain broke.
We gave everyone a gift certificate for $10 worth of food, you couldn't buy tobacco, booze or lottery tickets, but we didn't advertise it, and folks weren't expecting it. That made a lot of people cry. $10 worth of food at Christmas. You know those kids didn't eat every day, and the parents less than that.
My point is, I also don't like the 'career welfarists' who think society owes them, and are serial takers, with no desire to become productive and give to others, but the Angel Tree families I met personally were almost all just poor. I don't think it's the government's business to deny those people the ability to smoke in their own home.
I'm poor, and could easily be living in subsidized housing, but I'm a good man and don't want to be a taker, but a productive member of society. Rules like this would stop me from smoking the CARE packages I've received from sjb3 and crk69, and I don't think that's any of the government's f'in business. Rules like this lump people like me in with the horrible parents that smoke a pack of Camels a day and send the kids to bed hungry. I have no respect for people like that. I just would that the government would stay out of it, that is all.
As always, just my opinion, your mileage will vary, and you're not neccessarily wrong.
PS Hey, I just passed 1,000 posts! Sorry everyone.
We gave everyone a gift certificate for $10 worth of food, you couldn't buy tobacco, booze or lottery tickets, but we didn't advertise it, and folks weren't expecting it. That made a lot of people cry. $10 worth of food at Christmas. You know those kids didn't eat every day, and the parents less than that.
My point is, I also don't like the 'career welfarists' who think society owes them, and are serial takers, with no desire to become productive and give to others, but the Angel Tree families I met personally were almost all just poor. I don't think it's the government's business to deny those people the ability to smoke in their own home.
I'm poor, and could easily be living in subsidized housing, but I'm a good man and don't want to be a taker, but a productive member of society. Rules like this would stop me from smoking the CARE packages I've received from sjb3 and crk69, and I don't think that's any of the government's f'in business. Rules like this lump people like me in with the horrible parents that smoke a pack of Camels a day and send the kids to bed hungry. I have no respect for people like that. I just would that the government would stay out of it, that is all.
As always, just my opinion, your mileage will vary, and you're not neccessarily wrong.
PS Hey, I just passed 1,000 posts! Sorry everyone.
The economics of our current bloated welfare state not withstanding, beware of anyone who advocates additional restrictions/regulations on any American. Some think they can control government, that they can use the sword of state to regulate that which they personally find unpalatable. But they cannot. It's a beast that cannot be controlled.
Of all groups of people, the two that should be most passionately against central government overreach are smokers (of any kind) and gun owners. Sadly, these two groups often advocate selectively pointing the sword of state at other groups whose habits/creeds/practices they object to.
In other words, sometimes we have to suck up some things we don't like in others in order to protect those things we do like for ourselves. You can't have it both ways. History suggests that 'government' is a zero-sum game.
Of all groups of people, the two that should be most passionately against central government overreach are smokers (of any kind) and gun owners. Sadly, these two groups often advocate selectively pointing the sword of state at other groups whose habits/creeds/practices they object to.
In other words, sometimes we have to suck up some things we don't like in others in order to protect those things we do like for ourselves. You can't have it both ways. History suggests that 'government' is a zero-sum game.
How does a hotel or apt. landlord know? They smell it and then look for the tell tale signs that will be there.
IDK as I read the pipe boards it seem more than half of the posters can't or won't smoking a pipe in their homes why would a tax funded housing authority want someone possibly chain smoking multiple packs of nails a day in a place they will have to maintain and rent out again? If I was a landlord I'd have to be a fool to allow smoking. 8O
But drugs are okay.
Atleast here is the U.S. I think that the goverment has made people the way they are. Send jobs overseas, creating unemployment and then make the people believe that they need the goverment to survive. Then allow the slow influx of drugs, and even make them legal. Because we don't want people to know what we are doing behind the closed door. And after awhile you will accept the Goebbels-ism and become the SHEEPLE that they want. What must be remembered is that most tyranical,lazy,narcissistic societys did not come into power overnight. It took decades or longer to show the true intention. This country is still mainly made up of good people. But with every generation it becomes weaker and less removed.
Sure -- if you're too poor to need government help you probably shouldn't be spending money on tobacco.my dads uncle was a good example. Instead of going into a high priced gig or college, the idiot joined the Marines. Like a lot of other dregs on society who don't make enough cash to avoid subsidized housing upon retirement age (cops,firefighters, teachers, etc), he ended up dying in high-rise government housing oroject for the elderly. Im sure he could have afforded his own house with a $1600 month fixed income, but he was so irrsponsible with his cash that he spent most of it on food and his wife's doctor's bills. This doesn't even scratch the surface of his irresponsibility -- he was one of those profoundly weak men who had something the liberal shrinks called "PTSD" and he even drank beer, too! He also had the nerve to sometimes complain about his missing right leg and the fact that he couldn't stand for a long period of time without morphine. It's a shame the government didn't throw him and everyone else out of public subsidized housing for wasting his money on cigarettes, beer, etc. Heck, once someone starts living on social security and disabiity checks they shouldn't smoke, drink beer, have cable tv, or anything. Heck, when I think of it, Every penny Frank he got his entire life was from the government, even when he was lounging about on the tropical paradise of Betio way back in 1943. I guess he was quite the waste, huh?
As you can tell, that post is a bit sarcastic, triggered by the fact I'm appalled by this whole notion of banning smoking or suggesting that poor people should be told what they can't do in their home. And it might be worth noting that the vast, vast majority of people who live in government subsiidized housing are elderly and retired, or else are disabled. Im not going to tell some guy with no legs who had to live off government assistance that, in addition to having no life, he is to give up one of the only pleasures he has left. If you believe that most people end on government assistance because they are lazy, en you are profoundly ignorant of how the system works. I've never had to live iin public housing myself, but I've known quite a lot of people who have, and damn few of them fit the stereotype.
As you can tell, that post is a bit sarcastic, triggered by the fact I'm appalled by this whole notion of banning smoking or suggesting that poor people should be told what they can't do in their home. And it might be worth noting that the vast, vast majority of people who live in government subsiidized housing are elderly and retired, or else are disabled. Im not going to tell some guy with no legs who had to live off government assistance that, in addition to having no life, he is to give up one of the only pleasures he has left. If you believe that most people end on government assistance because they are lazy, en you are profoundly ignorant of how the system works. I've never had to live iin public housing myself, but I've known quite a lot of people who have, and damn few of them fit the stereotype.
For those who might not know, Betio is the largest island in the atoll of Tarawa. You may have heard of the WWII battle for Tarawa, between US Marines and the occupying Japanese. It wasn't a good thing.
And that is precisely why the government has no business telling me I can't smoke in my own, albeit subsidized house. Thanks, moto.
I am all for paying taxes and helping those in need who deserve helping like veterans and handicapped for life. Smoke up, drink up, do as you please anywhere anytime. I am also ready to help ANYONE who is down on their luck for a limited amount of time. When I think of the lazy moochers out there sucking off of the working class for generations I have zero sympathy. They should be treated almost like prisoners with very little rights, lose voting privileges for one, until they show signs of becoming productive. We are so afraid of dealing with this problem that it is bringing this country to its knees. Seems most here are okay with it so maybe I need to rethink my position.
@dave and tarzan: We actually agree. I also have no sympathy for the professional victims that feel society owes them a living, and mooch off the working class with no intention of becoming productive members of society. My point though is, I've met the poor folks that live in subsidized housing and need some help and most are not that way.
If most of them were the professional victims we would be in complete agreement; I'm just saying that most are not. If it's true that most are willing to work hard and be productive, but are just down, would you say then that politicians have the right to deny them some basic luxuries, like smoking OTC from a $5 cob?
If most of them were the professional victims we would be in complete agreement; I'm just saying that most are not. If it's true that most are willing to work hard and be productive, but are just down, would you say then that politicians have the right to deny them some basic luxuries, like smoking OTC from a $5 cob?
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