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tslex

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I have a little saying that I coined on my blog, and which I like to repeat when the occasion is right:
Team R versus Team D is really just an intra-squad scrimmage by players from the same team, staged to distract the cheering fans from noticing that the stadium is on fire and their cars are being stolen from the parking lot.



As for the latest Trudeau, I fear he has his father's dangerously socialist inklings and is coming to the fore in a climate even more conducive to their expansion.

 

drezz01

Can't Leave
Dec 1, 2014
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Oh that was a blast from the past! That commercial, along with these, were a major part of my childhood.
And to think, mean old Stephen Harper cut the National Film Board's budget in 2012 :nana: Last Harper dig I swear!! :wink:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_loagYFcAc

 
Dec 24, 2012
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And to think, mean old Stephen Harper cut the National Film Board's budget in 2012 :nana: Last Harper dig I swear!!
When times are tough, you cut things, unless you are prepared to have an ever-growing credit card balance. At least that's how most people work.
My last dig at Trudeau (in this thread).
On the issue of inviting opposition parties to climate discussions, well, I spend a good portion of my days negotiating, and the last thing that I would view as constructive when I am trying to reach a deal with another party is someone "on my side" who is second guessing me in front of that party. Good fodder for the press perhaps, and perhaps good optical politics, but not good for the interests of Canada, in my view.

 

stickframer

Part of the Furniture Now
Apr 11, 2015
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Peck, I admit what you say about negotiating makes sense.
Thanks for posting those videos guys :lol:

 

drezz01

Can't Leave
Dec 1, 2014
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... the last thing that I would view as constructive when I am trying to reach a deal with another party is someone "on my side" who is second guessing me in front of that party. Good fodder for the press perhaps, and perhaps good optical politics, but not good for the interests of Canada, in my view.
It's a good point that it may all be optics; it will be interesting to see what the extent of these invitations are. I'm sure he won't be handing the mic off to Elizabeth May any time soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjRBoLZ6ZV8

 

andrew

Lifer
Feb 13, 2013
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And to think, mean old Stephen Harper cut the National Film Board's budget in 2012
Didn't they also cut the CBC funding?? Gasp!! I wonder how many people are aware that 100 million of our tax dollars, yes, 100 million goes to CBC, per month.

 
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I wouldn't mind seeing the CBC sold off entirely and use the money for better data infrastructure instead.
If the government wants to encourage Canadian culture they should just make a Canadian video hosting website. 90% of the content I watch daily is YouTubers in California (there's one channel I watch run out of Vancouver).

And make the ISP market more competitive. I know it's not horrible right now, but it can always be better. We need country wide Gigabit. If Trudeau had run on that platform even I might have voted for him.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
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I too prefer my propaganda machines unsupported by tax dollars. That said, a few shows I have enjoyed would not have seen the light of day without the tax support. So, from a purely selfish position, I'd like to see the support continue. Only for the shows I like though. And, I'd like to be the final and only arbiter of what will be subsidized. :puffy:

 

plugugly

Starting to Get Obsessed
Mar 9, 2015
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That Canadian tax dollars go to the production of a show called "Trailer Park Boys" is

A)A blessing as I LMAO at every show and;

B)A testament to the enormous differences in U.S. and Canadian government.

 

deathmetal

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Jul 21, 2015
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Team R versus Team D is really just an intra-squad scrimmage by players from the same team, staged to distract the cheering fans from noticing that the stadium is on fire and their cars are being stolen from the parking lot.
I agree. Both "sides" support the same basic ideology, but one side wants business/military and the other lives off social programs.
If all social programs went away, people would be amazed at how much easier life was.
On the other hand, I don't think business interests that "need defending" should be defended.
And the military? We'll need it, but they find the least effective ways to run it in order to spread the pork fat around.

 

davet

Lifer
May 9, 2015
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Whatever the Candian government does I'll always love them as long as Hockey Night In Canada with Grapes and Ron MacLean and Murdoch Mysteries stay on the air.
+1 for Murdoch Mysteries, I just started watching it. As far as CBC radio its not worth listening to without Peter Gzowski and Vickie Gaberow.

 
Dec 24, 2012
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As an addendum to this thread, Mr. Trudeau should read the following parable, and hopefully learn from it.
Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men — the poorest — would pay nothing; the fifth would pay $1, the sixth would pay $3, the seventh $7, the eighth $12, the ninth $18, and the tenth man — the richest — would pay $59.
That's what they decided to do. The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement — until one day, the owner threw them a curve (in tax language a tax cut).
"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20." So now dinner for the ten only cost $80.00.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six — the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?"
The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would end up being PAID to eat their meal. So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, leaving the tenth man with a bill of $52 instead of his earlier $59. Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free.
But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man who pointed to the tenth. "But he got $7!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man, "I only saved a dollar, too ... It's unfair that he got seven times more than me!".
"That's true!" shouted the seventh man, "why should he get $7 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat the shit out of him. The next night he didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered, a little late what was very important. They were FIFTY-TWO DOLLARS short of paying the bill! Imagine that!

 

deathmetal

Lifer
Jul 21, 2015
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It doesn’t matter if you vote for the clown on the left or the one on the right. The pendulum will swing to this side then that side but the clock will remain broken.
This is the nature of democracy.
I don't mind paying taxes for things that benefit everyone.
Taking from me to subsidize someone else is theft, however.
If I work, they work. Maybe if we're all working, we can cut out the b.s. jobs and all work less.

 

drezz01

Can't Leave
Dec 1, 2014
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As an addendum to this thread, Mr. Trudeau should read the following parable, and hopefully learn from it.
Nice parable Peck!
I was certainly brought up with the narrative of 'the rich get richer' coming from somewhere in the middle class. There wasn't much of an explanation for it besides that the richies had the excess funds to sock away in untaxables, or that they could afford to incorporate themselves and write off much of their income etc. It was all very smoke and mirrors but it was a certainty that even if they were taxed at a rate of 50% they were certainly not paying 50% of their income in taxes.
I suppose it's my fault for never questioning it really. Taxing the rich always seemed like a fantastic idea! But that's due to the us vs them mentality of class warfare. It really blinds you to the implications.

 
Dec 24, 2012
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Well drezz, I have been discussing this a lot with some of my partners and various clients since the election. Clearly anyone affected by the changes and with any sense will take the steps necessary to ensure that as little as possible will be subject to that new high rate. So yes, many will be incorporating as much of their income as possible, which oddly enough means that they will be forced to spend less personally on consumption since the money will belong to the corporation and can only be invested at the corporate level. That means less discretionary spending by the individual which, oddly enough, runs counter to what you want people to do in order to stimulate a lagging economy. Needless to say, as awful as these changes are, they have been incredibly good for business in terms of devising strategies to minimize their impact.
I and others have also suspended ALL charitable giving. I have no doubt that charities will greatly suffer since such a large portion of their revenue is generated by people in that tax bracket. However, when you are "donating" such a large portion of your income to the government, it is difficult to stomach any further donations in any form.
In the university class that I teach I have also been encouraging successful students to look for careers outside of Canada. Canada is becoming a country that relishes punishing its most successful citizens. Find new friends and go to a different restaurant.

 

drezz01

Can't Leave
Dec 1, 2014
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That means less discretionary spending by the individual which, oddly enough, runs counter to what you want people to do in order to stimulate a lagging economy
That's an interesting effect that hadn't occurred to me. I guess I'm at a point in my life where tax rates aren't at the top of my priority list so I don't pay as much mind to them as I ought to. As stated earlier, I'm a filthy socialist, and am more concerned on how the gov't spends our money versus how much they take from us. I honestly need to inform myself more on these issues and their affects though. There is a lot of political rhetoric that doesn't carry much weight whereas the effects of some policies don't get much airtime.
As far as careers outside of Canada, it reminds me of a situation I heard of when I took a global politics elective in university (which means obviously I'm an expert - taking one elective and all). Finland wanted to raise their taxes on corporations but Nokia, which accounted for ~20% of their GDP, threatened to move their base of operations. That put an end to any tax increases - but it's interesting to think how much influence over policy that corporation has versus the state.
To that end it is interesting hearing about other peoples experiences and perspectives so I am glad you are sharing yours. In my experience, I have had a significant portion of my student loan forgiven by the federal government, am receiving a large tax return this year due to tuition credits earned over the past 6 years and am receiving a graduate retention stipend from the provincial government for returning to SK with a masters degree. They're doing pretty alright by me and the NDP promised reduced student loan interest as well.
As an adult, I certainly don't begrudge anyone with the means of doing so using every legal way possible to reduce their taxes. It's just interesting to think of how vilified those people were to me during my upbringing, probably due more to the insecurity of the 'have-not's than anything the 'have's ever did to them.

 
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