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I have also stopped smoking a pipe for long stints: financial hardship, boredom, politics (let's face it, a relationship is a political arena). I have also stopped drinking coffee and alcohol for all the same reasons. I still enjoy all three, together, whenever possible. I suppose that's why I can leave them if there is a reasonable cause, because I can go back knowing I will still enjoy them.
 
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I only started 10 years ago and for the last five years I've almost entirely put down the pipe to focus on strength training instead.
Just this year I've started to fit pipe smoking back into my schedule while also being strict to avoid overlap between muscle recovery and tobacco consumption, I doubt pipesmoking will ever lead to any regrets.

Opposite of being a vice, pipe smoking is a reward for having all my ducks in a row.
Having time to relax and enjoy the pipe is an aspiration.
 
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telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
Oh my God. Did I write that?
Welcome, fellow patriot and now honorary warrior against the tyranny of the fascist woke left,😉 Your embrace of our flag harkens our hearts. Now, on to Barcelona so that we can set them free and independent as well.

Larga vida a la revolución! Whiskey for everyone.
 

mateusbrown

Might Stick Around
Apr 24, 2022
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James 4:14 states, "For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away." Some English translations use fog, or mist, or puff of smoke. The Vulgate uses "vapor." The Afrikaans versions use "miswolkie" or "damp," which are "mist-cloud" or "vapor." In any case, apt terminology to describe a life whether it last for, what is to us, a short or long time, albeit even 100 years is almost nothing in the scheme of the eternal.

The older I get, the more I wonder about all these things. We appear and then disappear--"verskyn en daarna verdwyn." "No one is promised tomorrow" as my grandma liked to say. Very true words, and I try not to worry about it either way as there is nothing one might do to stop time or roll it back or delay that final hour whenever it may come. If it is the case that Alexander Pope's "Whatever is, is right" holds within it the irrefutable truth, then our seemingly free choices become some part of a greater script being played out, and whatever we are doing, wherever we are, whomever we interact with, this is something grander and more incomprehensible than we can possibly understand.

That said, I thoroughly enjoy my pipes, cigars, and cigarettes. Would my life be different if I had never started smoking? It is impossible to say since there is no control-group me to compare with, one who made all the same choices except for smoking. Alternate non-smoking timeline me would probably still be bald, a little chunky around the middle, and have ridiculously bad eyesight. I still would have probably made similar career choices. I still would probably be about where I am now. Maybe I'm actually here now because I was at home enjoying a cigar whereas non-smoking me could have been going somewhere and got killed in a fiery car wreck.

So whether or not free will is a fated or predestined illusion, I try to make good choices in my mind to counteract some of what I believe to be the deleterious effects of smoking. I am really and truly trying to lead a good life although temptations always abound. I avoid alcohol, seed oils, processed foods, sugar, wild women, shady parts of town, fast cars, and drugs. I say yes to healthy foods like beef, chicken, fish, pork, fruit, milk, cheese, etc. I say yes to weightlifting, walking, daily Bible reading, and keeping my sights on whatever is good and true and thinking on these things. But I am a nicotine and caffeine addict to tell the truth. I admit it. I like smoking, and I don't actually want to quit even if I think I do sometimes. I may regret it one day, but all the regret won't make any difference at that point. I have often wondered if any of our vices can be construed as sins, for we have read that for he who knows what is right and does not do it, for him it is sin. Logic fails me in this respect since to dispute it, I need precepts, and if I am uncertain about the precepts, then I am uncertain about the logical outcome of my thought process. The bottom line is, I don't know if smoking is a sin. For if it is, and I say I like it, I say I like sin and wish to continue it, and I am in league with the father of lies. If it is a sin, an earthly pleasure which I enjoy rather than thinking on those things above, then I should quit it. I may say I am not harming others. I may say I am not harming myself. If argue smoking moderately is merely a pleasure to be had much like enjoying one's food or drink or engaging in any other pleasure-bringing activity, then it is not a sin. If I argue that it is an overarching specter of addiction which steers me down into vales of darkness, then maybe it is. If I argue that I am addicted but it is not ruling my life, maybe it is not. But if I look at the truth, that I have probably not gone more that one or two days in the past thirty something years without smoking some sort of tobacco, then it has to be an addiction and therefore probably a sin.
 

renfield

Lifer
Oct 16, 2011
5,127
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Kansas
Quit? Why would I?

I enjoy the pipe, I’m doing no harm to anyone else, I’m an adult fully capable of making an informed decision and taking responsibility for my choices.

The pipe has been a simple pleasure in my life that promotes quiet contemplation and calmness.

Quit? Not any time soon.
 

Sam Gamgee

Part of the Furniture Now
Sep 24, 2022
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James 4:14 states, "For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away." Some English translations use fog, or mist, or puff of smoke. The Vulgate uses "vapor." The Afrikaans versions use "miswolkie" or "damp," which are "mist-cloud" or "vapor." In any case, apt terminology to describe a life whether it last for, what is to us, a short or long time, albeit even 100 years is almost nothing in the scheme of the eternal.

The older I get, the more I wonder about all these things. We appear and then disappear--"verskyn en daarna verdwyn." "No one is promised tomorrow" as my grandma liked to say. Very true words, and I try not to worry about it either way as there is nothing one might do to stop time or roll it back or delay that final hour whenever it may come. If it is the case that Alexander Pope's "Whatever is, is right" holds within it the irrefutable truth, then our seemingly free choices become some part of a greater script being played out, and whatever we are doing, wherever we are, whomever we interact with, this is something grander and more incomprehensible than we can possibly understand.

That said, I thoroughly enjoy my pipes, cigars, and cigarettes. Would my life be different if I had never started smoking? It is impossible to say since there is no control-group me to compare with, one who made all the same choices except for smoking. Alternate non-smoking timeline me would probably still be bald, a little chunky around the middle, and have ridiculously bad eyesight. I still would have probably made similar career choices. I still would probably be about where I am now. Maybe I'm actually here now because I was at home enjoying a cigar whereas non-smoking me could have been going somewhere and got killed in a fiery car wreck.

So whether or not free will is a fated or predestined illusion, I try to make good choices in my mind to counteract some of what I believe to be the deleterious effects of smoking. I am really and truly trying to lead a good life although temptations always abound. I avoid alcohol, seed oils, processed foods, sugar, wild women, shady parts of town, fast cars, and drugs. I say yes to healthy foods like beef, chicken, fish, pork, fruit, milk, cheese, etc. I say yes to weightlifting, walking, daily Bible reading, and keeping my sights on whatever is good and true and thinking on these things. But I am a nicotine and caffeine addict to tell the truth. I admit it. I like smoking, and I don't actually want to quit even if I think I do sometimes. I may regret it one day, but all the regret won't make any difference at that point. I have often wondered if any of our vices can be construed as sins, for we have read that for he who knows what is right and does not do it, for him it is sin. Logic fails me in this respect since to dispute it, I need precepts, and if I am uncertain about the precepts, then I am uncertain about the logical outcome of my thought process. The bottom line is, I don't know if smoking is a sin. For if it is, and I say I like it, I say I like sin and wish to continue it, and I am in league with the father of lies. If it is a sin, an earthly pleasure which I enjoy rather than thinking on those things above, then I should quit it. I may say I am not harming others. I may say I am not harming myself. If argue smoking moderately is merely a pleasure to be had much like enjoying one's food or drink or engaging in any other pleasure-bringing activity, then it is not a sin. If I argue that it is an overarching specter of addiction which steers me down into vales of darkness, then maybe it is. If I argue that I am addicted but it is not ruling my life, maybe it is not. But if I look at the truth, that I have probably not gone more that one or two days in the past thirty something years without smoking some sort of tobacco, then it has to be an addiction and therefore probably a sin.
You've said a lot here (very well, I might add) but your first points about life being a vapor is something I think of a lot, particularly as I near 50. But really, I've lost a lot of loved ones in my life and it seems like death came on my radar long before it did most people my age.

It seems to me that a big part of modern life (I say modern because the life of antiquity was surrounded by daily reminders of death) is either avoiding thinking about death, or even somehow believing it won't happen to us. This explains how health and medicine have become more like a religion than anything else. By in large, we are trying to hold on to something that is impossible to keep, and making ourselves miserable in the process. As happens a lot of times, a line from Chesterton comes to mind:

"What good does it do to make ourselves miserable trying to avoid this or that misery?"

He also says somewhere that: "We have underrated the beauties of life and overrated its dangers."

^^^ That one rings true of smoking. There is a very real and very innocent pleasure a man gets from smoking a pipe. But it's all sought to be spoiled at the outset by asking, "Is it unhealthy?" The preoccupation with health these days is about as unhealthy a thing as there is (yet another Chestertonian idea).

I'll not attempt to solve whether or not smoking is sinful, but I do believe the nature of smoking cigarettes is very different than pipes. I smoked cigarettes for a long time and thoroughly enjoyed them, but I know they were making me feel lousy, and when I quit I felt better. So there is that.

I will only say that here in American Christianity, we have special categories for what is sinful and what isn't. Smoking of any kind (unless it's pipes where one can often get a type of nostalgic free pass) seems to be frowned upon, but gluttony, for example, is actually laughed at. In fact, gluttony is a word that almost no one uses anymore. Envy and covetousness are often woven into the very fabric of the American Dream and of what it means to "make it" in this world. Here again, very few bat an eye, but there is much to be said on these matters in The Book.
 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
10,025
16,070
James 4:14 states, "For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away." Some English translations use fog, or mist, or puff of smoke. The Vulgate uses "vapor." The Afrikaans versions use "miswolkie" or "damp," which are "mist-cloud" or "vapor." In any case, apt terminology to describe a life whether it last for, what is to us, a short or long time, albeit even 100 years is almost nothing in the scheme of the eternal.

The older I get, the more I wonder about all these things. We appear and then disappear--"verskyn en daarna verdwyn." "No one is promised tomorrow" as my grandma liked to say. Very true words, and I try not to worry about it either way as there is nothing one might do to stop time or roll it back or delay that final hour whenever it may come. If it is the case that Alexander Pope's "Whatever is, is right" holds within it the irrefutable truth, then our seemingly free choices become some part of a greater script being played out, and whatever we are doing, wherever we are, whomever we interact with, this is something grander and more incomprehensible than we can possibly understand.

That said, I thoroughly enjoy my pipes, cigars, and cigarettes. Would my life be different if I had never started smoking? It is impossible to say since there is no control-group me to compare with, one who made all the same choices except for smoking. Alternate non-smoking timeline me would probably still be bald, a little chunky around the middle, and have ridiculously bad eyesight. I still would have probably made similar career choices. I still would probably be about where I am now. Maybe I'm actually here now because I was at home enjoying a cigar whereas non-smoking me could have been going somewhere and got killed in a fiery car wreck.

So whether or not free will is a fated or predestined illusion, I try to make good choices in my mind to counteract some of what I believe to be the deleterious effects of smoking. I am really and truly trying to lead a good life although temptations always abound. I avoid alcohol, seed oils, processed foods, sugar, wild women, shady parts of town, fast cars, and drugs. I say yes to healthy foods like beef, chicken, fish, pork, fruit, milk, cheese, etc. I say yes to weightlifting, walking, daily Bible reading, and keeping my sights on whatever is good and true and thinking on these things. But I am a nicotine and caffeine addict to tell the truth. I admit it. I like smoking, and I don't actually want to quit even if I think I do sometimes. I may regret it one day, but all the regret won't make any difference at that point. I have often wondered if any of our vices can be construed as sins, for we have read that for he who knows what is right and does not do it, for him it is sin. Logic fails me in this respect since to dispute it, I need precepts, and if I am uncertain about the precepts, then I am uncertain about the logical outcome of my thought process. The bottom line is, I don't know if smoking is a sin. For if it is, and I say I like it, I say I like sin and wish to continue it, and I am in league with the father of lies. If it is a sin, an earthly pleasure which I enjoy rather than thinking on those things above, then I should quit it. I may say I am not harming others. I may say I am not harming myself. If argue smoking moderately is merely a pleasure to be had much like enjoying one's food or drink or engaging in any other pleasure-bringing activity, then it is not a sin. If I argue that it is an overarching specter of addiction which steers me down into vales of darkness, then maybe it is. If I argue that I am addicted but it is not ruling my life, maybe it is not. But if I look at the truth, that I have probably not gone more that one or two days in the past thirty something years without smoking some sort of tobacco, then it has to be an addiction and therefore probably a sin.
You've said a lot here (very well, I might add) but your first points about life being a vapor is something I think of a lot, particularly as I near 50. But really, I've lost a lot of loved ones in my life and it seems like death came on my radar long before it did most people my age.

It seems to me that a big part of modern life (I say modern because the life of antiquity was surrounded by daily reminders of death) is either avoiding thinking about death, or even somehow believing it won't happen to us. This explains how health and medicine have become more like a religion than anything else. By in large, we are trying to hold on to something that is impossible to keep, and making ourselves miserable in the process. As happens a lot of times, a line from Chesterton comes to mind:

"What good does it do to make ourselves miserable trying to avoid this or that misery?"

He also says somewhere that: "We have underrated the beauties of life and overrated its dangers."

^^^ That one rings true of smoking. There is a very real and very innocent pleasure a man gets from smoking a pipe. But it's all sought to be spoiled at the outset by asking, "Is it unhealthy?" The preoccupation with health these days is about as unhealthy a thing as there is (yet another Chestertonian idea).

I'll not attempt to solve whether or not smoking is sinful, but I do believe the nature of smoking cigarettes is very different than pipes. I smoked cigarettes for a long time and thoroughly enjoyed them, but I know they were making me feel lousy, and when I quit I felt better. So there is that.

I will only say that here in American Christianity, we have special categories for what is sinful and what isn't. Smoking of any kind (unless it's pipes where one can often get a type of nostalgic free pass) seems to be frowned upon, but gluttony, for example, is actually laughed at. In fact, gluttony is a word that almost no one uses anymore. Envy and covetousness are often woven into the very fabric of the American Dream and of what it means to "make it" in this world. Here again, very few bat an eye, but there is much to be said on these matters in The Book.
There is much in these two posts that I could comment on, but I'll just say this:

There are sins of the flesh and sins of the spirit. Certainly there is overlap between the two, but generally speaking, sins of the spirit are much more serious, yet sins of the flesh receieve much greater attention and are often magnified to be of much greater significance. I believe this is because it makes it easier to control the individual...whereas sins of the spirit (such as hatred, lying, deception, envy) actually need to be instigated and encouraged to help facilitate collective control.

Control and manipulation are the primary concerns of spiritual darkness...and perception management is of the utmost importance in achieving this.
 
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I don't drink alcohol. Never have, never will.

I smoke. I love smoking. Always have always will.

Everyone has their own thing.
Wow! Same here. I never acquired the taste for alcohol but used tobacco. After 25 years of cigarettes I found pipe smoking and I'm truly loving it. Hopefully I can keep clear of Camels!
 

Sobrbiker

Lifer
Jan 7, 2023
3,979
51,953
Casa Grande, AZ
Drinking almost killed me 28yrs ago. By the grace of a god I have a great life today. I refuse to be miserable ever again, and to live the life I chose-and that life includes steaks, bacon, caffeine and nicotine.
I still ride a motorcycle almost daily very aggressively that may be the end of me as they have for any of my friends, but I’d never stop as long as I’m physically as mentally able. I hunt desert backcountry solo, and have been in dire situations that could’ve ended poorly. Mama is a horse gal, and I’ve chosen to to join that passion by rescuing a 16.2 hand gelding that could end me at any moment, but puts up with my inexperience and (I think) enjoys our crazy journey together.
I’ve squeezed in 60+ pack/years of cigarettes, but switched to a battery powered air freshener as my primary nicotine delivery a few years back.
I picked up a pipe at 57, by chance pre-inheriting my father’s pipes.
I enjoy all that comes with them. Especially the fact that it’s the only tobacco platform I can enjoy without inhaling or swallowing, and doesn’t lead me back to wanting a cigarette.
Plus I’ve already found a great amount of folks here to share the fun with…
Don’t see quitting pipes anytime.
 
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Gimlet

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Pipe smoking got my grandfather in the end. He was 93 and had been smoking pipes from the age of 12. He'd be 140 now if he'd never taken it up. 😉

No tobacco smoking is going to do you any good. But I always say, you see many an old man with a pipe in his mouth, not so many with cigarettes. It's a calculation between life's risks and its pleasures.

I smoked cigarettes from the age of 15 and quit when I was 40. Sixteen years later I took up the pipe. And not because I missed nicotine. I never thought about it. I have trouble relaxing and switching off. I have a somewhat obsessive personality. I over-think everything, rerun the same thoughts over and over again and probably have some sort of anxiety disorder which has been with me all my life. I find the contemplative nature of pipe smoking very soothing and recuperative. I can sit in my chair with the TV off smoking my pipe and thinking of nothing at all. It's akin to meditation but smells nicer..

I do know that while I love my pipe and smoke it every day, if I go out for the evening I don't feel the need to take my pipe with me. I don't have to leave a bar every 15 minutes to join the group of cigarette smokers huddling in the cold puffing their cigarettes. (Not that I visit bars anymore because I no longer drink). I can wait til I get home and don't miss it in the meantime.
I do take my pipe to work but it stays in my van and I'll have a smoke at break time.
If I forget to take my pipe to work, it's a mild disappointment but I can get through the day without it. That would never have happened when I smoked cigarettes. If I forgot my smokes on a work day, there'd be a detour to buy some more, and anything would do. If I run out of pipe tobacco because I've forgotten to order some, I'll wait till a consignment arrives. I don't have to rush out to a supermarket and buy a pack or whatever I can get.

I snork my pipe smoke (cycle it round from mouth to nose) and I sort of inhale a bit, ie a shallow breath to get the warmth and the nicotine hit into my throat and the top of my trachea, but I don't (couldn't) inhale deeply, and wouldn't want to. Most of the time I'm snorking or just puffing, enjoying the scent of the smoke.

I'm entirely convinced that all mass-produced cigarette tobacco, whether hand-rolling or ready-mades, is heavily adulterated with addictive chemicals to keep smokers hooked, keep them smoking and buying more product. The corporate tobacco companies are little better than drug dealers, cutting their gear to sell more.

I'm also convinced that the same is true of processed food (which I don't eat). It's well known that many of the additives in processed food damage your gut bacteria and stimulate reward centres in your brain, leaving you permanently hungry which leads to food addictions and weight gain. And big profits for manufacturers...
 
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