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maxpeters

Can't Leave
Jan 4, 2010
439
22
NOLA cajun, they already have. Just heard about this today. Nothing to do with tobacco, but this is what you can expect from the powers that be. A back door assault as a test balloon, then if that passes any court action, a full frontal assault against whomever's rights they want to eliminate.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150718/social-security-administration-to-strip-millions-of-americans-of-their-right-to-keep-and-bear-arms

 
Jun 4, 2014
1,134
2
I see it now, a man approaches a building in the seedy part of town. He approaches the door, and presses the intercom button. A gruff voice asks for the password, he presses the button and says "burley". The door buzzes and he enters, he is soon in a dimy lit room, at dark tables men and women smoke pipes and cigars, over at the bar you can purchase "imported" tobacco products. Above it all you can hear he sounds of air filters running to remove all traces of tobacco smoke, scenting the exhaust with the smell of fresh baked 12 grain bread.

 

mrenglish

Lifer
Dec 25, 2010
2,220
72
Columbus, Ohio
I get the whole slippery slope thing with gun rights but if someone is considered incompetent enough to not handle daily life, not sure I want them to have a firearm. I'm totally for second amendment rights but lets face it, there are certain types of people who should not own firearms or even other things, like cars or whatever. By certain types I mean those who have mental conditions or lack basic faculty. But then I also believe that if you have a CCW you should be required to show you know how to handle the handgun, keep it away from children and even be required to have a certain amount of range time to maintain the CCW.

 

cobguy

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
3,742
17
The door buzzes and he enters, he is soon in a dimy lit room, at dark tables men and women smoke pipes and cigars, over at the bar you can purchase "imported" tobacco products.
30 years later they decide that certain types and amounts of nicotine are helpful medicinally.
They begin charging $300 to get your "card" and then sell you tobacco by the gram at ridiculous prices. Sound familiar? :roll:

 

cigrmaster

Lifer
May 26, 2012
20,248
57,309
66
Sarasota Florida
Great read and pretty scary. I have finished my cellar as I believe it is just a matter of time before bad things happen. Totally ironic that I believe it will be cheaper to buy Cuban cigars from tobacconists in Spain, Lebanon, Hong Kong, Gibralter, Switzerland than it will be in the U.S when and if they become legal.

 

bcharles123

Starting to Get Obsessed
Mar 18, 2014
236
1
Ironically, people have told me to be careful with a pipe in public. It's so rare that someone would smoke a pipe that cops assume it's pot!
However, the more legal pot becomes and the more places that permit it, the easier it will be for us to blend in! Break out your dye ties and ponytails! So what if you enjoy your medicine in a $500 dunhill.
In actuality I don't think the were we enjoy our pipes is nearly as bad as the prohibition on the tobacco through regulation and taxation.
And while we are laughing our selves silly, there is a great line from the tv show "silicon valley" when the American computer programmer explains to his Chinese intern, "son, you can't just smoke in public! We don't enjoy the same kinds of freedoms your used to in China".
Pretty sad!

 

gregprince

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jan 29, 2014
276
0
I predict that some/most/all of what we fear will come to pass. I also predict that a hundred years from now we (or more likely, for most of us, our spiritual descendants) will still be smoking, complaining about the government with good cause, and whining about the loss of the "good old days". If you have read my past posts you know that I can do all three. If you know my wife she's told you that I go overboard, getting way too passionate about all three, but what does she know? Would I rather the government keep their filthy hands off my stuff and go after someone else? "You betchum, Red Rider!" and so would you, Oh, get real, you know there's something. Just look what "they" did to my beloved B&M shops. I mourned for years the passing from our shores of the Dunhill blends. Then they were back, sort of. In the face of the apocalyptic arms race of my youth I never learned to "Stop worrying and love the bomb." But I have observed countless "Apocalyptic" events come and go. Every few months someone, somewhere predicts another crisis of apocalyptic proportions yet again. If "X" happens then the world we know and all we value most will end. All these crisis's pass, then fade into the inner recesses of our memory. We march on, having adapted. That has been the fate of every apocalyptic prediction for thousands of years. When the actual apocalypse arrives (if you roll that way) it will be as a thief in the night. No one will predict it, no one will see it coming. Everything less is just a speed bump on history's roadway. We'll get by. It generally won't be easy, it most likely will hurt like hell, but that just means we are still alive and struggling to stay that way as we stake our rightful claim on life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (always as we understand it-wherein lies the rub). Yes, I'll argue, get passionate, I always vote and will take to the streets with the best of them to defend what I believe in. But I try to maintain a sense of what is realistic and pragmatic. Some (although it feels like most) things won't go the way I think they should, but it isn't the end of the world. Probably, in the long haul, it isn't even that big of a deal.
Please note that I neither offer, nor will I defend any political or religious opinion on this subject. I simply observe, with H.G. Wells that "The crisis of today is the joke of tomorrow." Maybe I wouldn't go quite that far, but maybe I would. In the end we'll sit down, have a nice smoke and enjoy what we have. Probably at the same time we'll be complaining that it isn't like the "good old days" but neither is it as bad as it's about to get. I predict that we'll be right.

 

weezell

Lifer
Oct 12, 2011
13,653
49,171
Inmates are running the asylum. They have "safe injection sites" so addicts can shoot up but I can't smoke tobacco on a walking trail or within a Provincial Park. It makes no sense to me, I was born many decades to late.
Make tobacco illegal, legalize weed. WTF???...

 

lucky695

Part of the Furniture Now
Apr 2, 2013
795
143
My retirement plan. Invest in what the "youngster/hipster" pipe smoker of today is smoking. Buy lots cheap at a online sale. Cellar it away for 20 more years and sell it after this tobaccolypse really gets into it's dark days. But by that time the hackers will have figured out a way to actually remove it from my cellar without my knowledge, transmitted over the interwebs directly to these nerdy little hipsters. Not to mention that by 2030 there will be breathalyzers for nicotine, yet everyone else is required to take ritalin 3 times daily to be able to function with the now "normal" society. Same story different generation. In the words of Rage Against the Machine... Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission, ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite

All of which are American dreams

 

seacaptain

Lifer
Apr 24, 2015
1,829
10
But then I also believe that if you have a CCW you should be required to show you know how to handle the handgun, keep it away from children and even be required to have a certain amount of range time to maintain the CCW.
Many states have this. It costs about $300 to get a permit in Illinois with the required training etc.
Anytime the government forces you to pay, and get permission to exercise your rights, then they aren't really rights at all.

 

mrenglish

Lifer
Dec 25, 2010
2,220
72
Columbus, Ohio
@seacaptain Good point. Not sure on how to meld those two together.
As for tobacco, its just insane that people freak over second hand smoke but don't realize the real threat is pollution from our cars, factories, etc. I guess with tobacco you can see it and the person smoking it (and thus have a target) whereas in most places pollution is not something you can actually see, unless its really bad.

 

pipesdownunder

Might Stick Around
Nov 3, 2013
66
0
Tobacco tax is now $587aud per kg.
That's $433 usd.
That's $41.65usd TAX per 50gram time.
That's insane.

 

seacaptain

Lifer
Apr 24, 2015
1,829
10
@seacaptain Good point. Not sure on how to meld those two together.
You can't meld them together. Either people have rights or they don't. People abuse their free speech rights, religious rights, free press rights, assembly rights, etc., all the time. We shouldn't curtail those rights for responsible people just because some abuse them.
We do though. We regulate "hate" speech, force people to violate their religious beliefs etc., all in the name of "reasonable" regulations. The problem is, what's "reasonable" is now at the whim of a government bureaucrat. It's all good as long as you don't find yourself on the wrong side of the government.
Which is exactly where tobacco users find themselves. I think we all agree people have a right to use tobacco, but it was decided long ago that "reasonable" regulations must be put in place for the "good" of society. And, so here we are. No one has a right to use tobacco unless some government bureaucracy says you do.
No, you can't meld rights with "reasonable" regulation. When you do, rights cease to exist.

 

drunkblowhard

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 30, 2015
112
1
You're right seacaptian. All regulation, no matter how "reasonable" is tyranny. Let's start selling tobacco, booze and firearms to children. I'm tired of these pesky regulations.

 

jmill208

Lifer
Dec 8, 2013
1,089
1,174
Maryland USA
Every few months someone, somewhere predicts another crisis of apocalyptic proportions yet again. If "X" happens then the world we know and all we value most will end. All these crisis's pass, then fade into the inner recesses of our memory. We march on, having adapted. That has been the fate of every apocalyptic prediction for thousands of years.
So true. Remember Y2K? But;
The sad truth about tobacco and it's regulation is that the slope is already slippery, and we're already sliding. This is not an event that will suddenly happen, but rather a slow erosion. Little by little the tight noose of regulation squeezes just a bit more, we adapt, and the squeeze comes again.

 

seacaptain

Lifer
Apr 24, 2015
1,829
10
You're right seacaptian. All regulation, no matter how "reasonable" is tyranny. Let's start selling tobacco, booze and firearms to children. I'm tired of these pesky regulations.
Nice dodge but minors do not have the same rights or responsibilities as adults.
If you want tobacco regulated at the whim of a government bureaucrat, don't complain when their idea of "reasonable" differs from yours.

 

okiescout

Lifer
Jan 27, 2013
1,530
7
I doubt seriously that neither you or I will embrace any of the change that's coming down the pike. Individual rights and responsibilities are, sadly of the past not the future. I am a bit thankful that I will not be around to see the end result of our selling our birthrights so cheaply.
+1 Warren
Nice dodge but minors do not have the same rights or responsibilities as adults.
If you want tobacco regulated at the whim of a government bureaucrat, don't complain when their idea of "reasonable" differs from yours.
Exactly, Seacaptain. America has indeed been fundamentally changed by those gullible enough to swallow a pound of BS with a once of sugar on it.

 

wyfbane

Lifer
Apr 26, 2013
5,154
3,649
Tennessee
The teacher gives her class a long weekend assignment

After a long weekend off the kids filed into class Tuesday morning. They were very excited about their projects. The teacher had given them a weekend assignment to sell something, then give a talk on productive salesmanship.

Little Katie led off. “On Sunday I sold Girl Scout cookies outside of Target and I made $40,” she said very proudly. “My sales approach was to appeal to the customer’s civic spirit and I credit that approach for my obvious success.”

“Very good Katie,” said the teacher.

Little Tammy was up next. “I sold magazines to my neighbors,” she said. “I made $55 and I explained to everyone that magazines would help keep them up on current news.”

“Good, Tammy,” said the teacher.

Eventually, it was Little Tom’s turn. The teacher held her breath…

Little Tom walked to the front of the classroom and dumped a box full of cash on the teacher’s desk. “$3,465,” he said.

“$3,465!” cried the teacher. “Oh my goodness, what in the world were you selling Tom?”

“Toothbrushes,” He said.

“Toothbrushes?!” said the teacher. “Tom how could you possibly sell enough tooth brushes to make this much money?”

“I found the busiest entrance in the mall,” said Tom, “I set up a Dip & Chip stand, I gave everybody who walked by a free sample.”

“They all said the same thing, ‘Hey, this tastes like dog poop!”

Then I would say smiling, “It is dog poop. Do you wanna buy a Toothbrush?”

“I used the government’s method of giving you something bad, dressing it up so it looks good, telling you it’s free, and then making you pay to get the bad taste out of your mouth.”

 
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