In Defense of Pipe Smoking and Tobacco Smoking In General

[gamzultovah]

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[hoosierpipeguy]

why did you have to go there? I am very liberal... from what I gather, not a moron (though there’s always time). I smoke a pipe on occasion and support all those who choose to do so as well. Plenty of conservatives claim smoking tobacco is a sin. Let’s keep this board secular... that is the rule, right? Everyone on this board gains comfort that they share one common thread with all others... enjoyment of pipe smoking. For many of us, that may be where our similarities end, and that’s ok—That is why this is a pipe smoking board, not a political one.

namaste

Rub on some skin thickener. Read it again. Where did I say all liberals are morons? I think extreme liberals are morons but I also think extreme conservatives are morons.

 

[bullet08]

“It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.”

Thomas Sowell

Unfortunately all too many of the social crusader types operate from a delusional position of moral superiority. The above quote explains perfectly why so many rational people end up standing by while their personal liberties get steam rolled for the false promise of "the greater good".

My point exactly. We see good number of small interest groups screaming and demanding their share of "equality." But I don't see that from smokers. While we are happy with what we have now, it won't stay that way. Not really sure why smokers so easily give up their choice.

 

[sablebrush52]

See, I told you it was complicated.

I'm not qualified to speak on it...I'm one of those knuckle-dragging traditionalists.

You'll have to ask someone more "progressive" to explain it.

I can only tell you that there are supposedly something like 57 different genders now.

Is that the Heinz line of genders?

 

[karam]

Selection bias, sometimes a pipe is just a pipe. Except when it is not a pipe:

 

[warren]

Not really sure why smokers so easily give up their choice.

The reason may be as simple as; smoking simply isn't defensible except as a personal choice. It's a purely selfish decision we make. Legal but, people simply do not wish to be around the smoke and attending reek. If you can make an honest, clear and logical argument for public smoking I'd love to read it.

 

[Chasing Embers]

“It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.”

Thomas Sowell

"You can never be fully prepared to deal with the collective stupidity of the morally confused."

D. Cartmill

 

[augiebd]

The reason may be as simple as; smoking simply isn't defensible except as a personal choice. It's a purely selfish decision we make. Legal but, people simply do not wish to be around the smoke and attending reek. If you can make an honest, clear and logical argument for public smoking I'd love to read it.

I agree with Warren. It may be possible to argue that I have the choice to smoke but I can’t see how my choice to smoke should override someone else’s choice to be smoke free. That doesn’t sound like equality either.

 

[olkofri]

Equality is not just a myth but a current humanitarian hoax.

 

[gamzultovah]

"You can never be fully prepared to deal with the collective stupidity of the morally confused."

D. Cartmill

“Morally Confused “ ... I would say morally corrupt.

 

[olkofri]

“Morally Confused “ ... I would say morally corrupt.

Well, you've got both kinds: confused and thus unwittingly corrupted: these are stupid; and knowingly and willingly corrupted: these are malicious.

Of course, willingly choosing moral corruption is in itself the ultimate stupidity; so both you and Cartmill are right.

 

[sablebrush52]

The reason may be as simple as; smoking simply isn't defensible except as a personal choice. It's a purely selfish decision we make. Legal but, people simply do not wish to be around the smoke and attending reek. If you can make an honest, clear and logical argument for public smoking I'd love to read it.

Warren, you have got to stop being so damned reasonable, logical, and mature.

 

[Chasing Embers]

Well, you've got both kinds: confused and thus unwittingly corrupted: these are stupid; and knowingly and willingly corrupted: these are malicious.

Of course, willingly choosing moral corruption is in itself the ultimate stupidity; so both you and Cartmill are right.

Yeah, that Cartmill is a really smart fellow, and a pipe smoker too.?

 

[brian64]

Warren, you have got to stop being so damned reasonable, logical, and mature.

Public smoking restrictions is a very different issue from all of the "death by a 1000 cuts" to all tobacco use in general...private use.

And I really don't think anyone in this thread was talking about public smoking.

But it's funny how every time these discussions arise, someone seems to conflate the two issues.

 

[docpierce]

Hitler raised his head with lies and manipulations and brave men stood their ground against him. Winston Churchill (a cigar smoker), one puff at a time formulated his defense of England, then one puff at a time formulated his attack against Hitler.

FFS. Not the whole Hitler thing again.

Hasn't he been dead for over 70 years? And for all those years you guys have been hauling out a Hitler shaped manikin and kicking it. Let's give the dimly remembered, unnuanced high school history lessons and obsolete WW2 propaganda a break. Let's move on.

 

[warren]

I answered a question. Now, I'll respond to your digression.

"death by a 1000 cuts" to all tobacco use in general...private use.

While I have experienced an inconvenience ortwenty, a steady rise in smoking expensive and the like; smoking, has not been pronounced to be illegal by any government entity where I reside. Of course I don't see laws addressing smoking in certain public places as being directed at me personally. I won't deny the right of the majority to be smoke free in a bar, eatery, workspace, etc. Nor do I deny people the right to bargain down prices because a house or an automobile reek of stale smoke. I much prefer my hotel/motel room to be "reek" free. There are more serious concerns when renting a bed. Never run a "black" light across your Hilton/Ritz/whatever bedding! Never!

I certainly expect, though not necessarily approve, of all levels of government to be working hard to squeeze every tax dollar possible, whether it be local sales or e-commerce, out of us poor unfortunates. Such is the venerable, highly admired, American way. If someone gets "priced" out of a "hobby" ... tough! Such is nothing I'd lose any sleep over.

 

[Dr_Harshit_Joshi]

Except for times when tyranny has risen its head, the greatest achievements during the last 3 centuries, probably closer to 500 years, have come through pipe smokers and tobacco smokers in general.


Hitler raised his head with lies and manipulations and brave men stood their ground against him. Winston Churchill (a cigar smoker), one puff at a time formulated his defense of England, then one puff at a time formulated his attack against Hitler. Then General George Patton (a pipe smoker) one puff at a time formulated his defense and then one puff at a time formulated his plans of attack. Smoking gave these men the time to think and center their thoughts on what needed to be done.


Our greatest literature came from pipe smokers; Oscar Wilde, Henry James, Joseph Conrad, Virginia Woolf, T S Eliot, W B Yeats, Charles Dickens, William Makepeace Thackeray, Evelyn Waugh, Philip Larkin and Kingsley Amis, and more. Even William Shakespeare was rumored to be a pipe smoker (clay pipe of course). Smoking Their pipes helped them put all the parts of their stories together. Smoking their pipes helped then to focus on what needed to be written and how, so that it all came together perfectly. Smoking their pipes allowed them time to envision new stories.


Our greatest painters were pipe smokers; Pablo Picasso, Vincent Van Gogh, Norman Rockwell, and more. Smoking their pipe gave them a chance and focus to envision their creations.


Our greatest minds were pipe smokers; Isaac Newton, Carl Gustav Jung, Sigmund Freud, Albert Einstein, Edwin Hubble and more. Smoking their pipes gave them the focus to develop their ideas.


Our greatest inventors were pipe smokers; Alexander Graham Bell, J. Robert Oppenheimer (the atomic bomb), and more. They were able to focus their thoughts and bring their thoughts into reality.


Our greatest actors and actresses were pipe smokers. Smoking their pipes helped them to focus on learning their lines and perfecting their character. Sadly missing today.


The list goes on and on!


Once again, as with Churchill and Patton, one puff at a time we will overcome the tyranny that has arisen.


Buy a friend a pipe, some good tobacco and teach that friend the ART OF PIPE SMOKING.


One puff at a time we shall prevail.

Edwin Weaver, I will typewrite this and I will frame it in my room.. This is so amazingly jotted!

 

[brian64]

I answered a question. Now, I'll respond to your digression.



While I have experienced an inconvenience ortwenty, a steady rise in smoking expensive and the like; smoking, has not been pronounced to be illegal by any government entity where I reside. Of course I don't see laws addressing smoking in certain public places as being directed at me personally. I won't deny the right of the majority to be smoke free in a bar, eatery, workspace, etc. Nor do I deny people the right to bargain down prices because a house or an automobile reek of stale smoke. I much prefer my hotel/motel room to be "reek" free. There are more serious concerns when renting a bed. Never run a "black" light across your Hilton/Ritz/whatever bedding! Never!

I certainly expect, though not necessarily approve, of all levels of government to be working hard to squeeze every tax dollar possible, whether it be local sales or e-commerce, out of us poor unfortunates. Such is the venerable, highly admired, American way. If someone gets "priced" out of a "hobby" ... tough! Such is nothing I'd lose any sleep over.

Thanks for the reply Warren. I'm quite familiar at this point with your perspective on these issues.

I was merely pointing out that the discussion here was never really about "public smoking" as far as I could tell. Or maybe I missed it...but I don't think anyone was ever addressing that issue specifically.

But now that we are addressing it, I'll only say that IMO, when it comes to a private business, it should be up to the business owner whether he or she wants to allow it or not.

But I'm old fashioned in that way, and in many ways...I'll never adjust well to the brave new world.

As for losing sleep...fortunately I don't have that problem either...glad to hear you sleep well too.

As for black lights in motel rooms, I must say that's an idea that has never occurred to me. And I have to agree with you...probably not a good idea...if you don't want to lose sleep.

 

[puff_not_snuff]

I wish you were able to work in the nazis meth use into your thesis.

 

[wulfheard]

I highly doubt that anyone here is defending the right to smoke while infringing upon nonsmokers rights. But let's make no mistake,, our rights to smoke in the privacy of our own homes or within our smoke friendly social circles are increasingly up for grabs by anti smoking special interests and their vote pandering political puppets.

As I see it, that is the current crux of the matter.