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timmay

Lurker
Mar 29, 2011
38
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Twin Cities, MN
So I've been smoking 1-3 bowls a week now since the end of March I believe, and I still can't keep it lit longer than 2-3 minutes. At 10+ lights per bowl and giving up by the last 1/8 of the bowl every time, I'm beginning to think I'm just too dumb to pull this off! I can play the guitar, rig up a surround sound system or run a mixer, I'm a straight A graduate student, but dang if I can't figure out this pipe :x Anybody in my boat?

 

adam12

Part of the Furniture Now
May 16, 2011
938
33
Well one thing's for sure, if the guitar you're playing is in your avatar, then you obviously know what the hell you're doing, because that thing is purty.
About the pipe, trial and error. Been smoking for a long time and even I run into days where (1) I didn't fill the pipe properly or (2) the tobacco won't cooperate or (3) the pipe is messed up (yeah blame the pipe) or (4) the wind caught it or (5) it got moist in the last 1/3 of the bowl or (6) the moon was in my eyes.
Vary what you're doing. Fill it differently. Try to tamp less, try to tamp more. Use a different lighter, don't use a lighter. Try a different tobacco in that pipe, try a different pipe entirely. Do it indoors, do it outdoors. I mean I know I sound like an idiot, but there's seriously only one way to figure it out, and it begins with mixing it up and finding what's comfortable for you. I don't really believe there is one right way to fill and light a pipe properly, although there's some that consider that blasphemy because it violates Pipe Rule #275-a, Subsection 4 or some crap. The truth is, I learned how by learning how. I hate to make it sound all "zen", but truthfully that's the way I figured it out.

 

baldy

Might Stick Around
May 13, 2011
60
0
Keep at it bud. It does take some practice. It's all in the packing and humidity of the tobacco. After awhile relighting just become an unconscious ritual. Don't even know that I'm doing it.

 

nabottle

Can't Leave
Apr 27, 2011
312
2
Although I haven't been smoking a pipe long, one thing that has helped me is this: 1. Each time I feel the draw getting a less productive and the amount of smoke lessening, I push the tamper down in the bowl and draw at the same time. The pressure of the tamper combined with the draw seems to help re-ignite or increase the amount of smoke I'm getting. When I figured that out, it lessened the number of times I had to re-light significantly. But then again, I'm very new to this.

 

jankomatic

Starting to Get Obsessed
Sep 12, 2010
167
0
Tampa, FL
I am newish to pipes as well, about 3 out of every 5 bowls I have now are great. They stay lit for the most part and I can get grey ash all the way down to the bottom of the bowl with no dottle left. The other two times it's too wet, won't stay lit etc. I definitely think it is the combination of certain tobaccos in my different pipes, which is why I am writing down each time I smoke a bowl what pipe and which tobacco, so I can hopefully see a pattern. What helped me the most though is making sure not to pack too tight, too loose is better than too tight for sure. When you tamp just barely put pressure on the ash. You don't have to constantly puff or sip the pipe, the ember should stay burning if you let it sit a bit. This helps not get the pipe too hot and wet. The above is just from my personal observations with only 3 or 4 pipes with a lot of different tobaccos. Keep trying.

 

romeowood

Lifer
Jan 1, 2011
1,943
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It takes some time to hit on that one bowl that burns perfectly and gives you a benchmark to perfect your technique against, timmay. Don't despair, I'm sure the overwhelming majority of us were not "naturals" at this most delicate pastime. Here are some hints, for what they may be worth:
Tobacco Choice: Aromatics are generally (though by no means always) going to burn a little damper than non-aros due to the amount of topping, casing, and leaf blends. Straight Virginias and VaPer blends also burn a little moist; Burley tends to burn cooler and drier, English and Latakia blends as well as Orientals are on the even drier end of the spectrum. And again, this is a generalization, not a hard-and-fast rule.

The cut of the tobacco also plays a critical role in burning characteristic--flake cut, broken flake, cube, shag, ribbon, will all take flame a bit differently.
Preparation: This involves several components--the moisture of the tobacco before packing, the packing technique, and the pipe chamber you're smoking. This site has several good threads and articles on the various points of this topic--

Pipe shapes vs. flavor

Flake Preparation

Tobacco Packing Methods Part 1

Tobacco Packing Methods Part 2

General Tips

More Tips
As a vague guide, dry your tobacco until it's still just a little bit springy, but not brittle, pack lightly at the bottom and a little tighter at the top, and tamp sparingly. Adjust to suit. A little gurgle in the bowl can be mitigated with a pipe cleaner fed down the stem periodically.

And practice, practice, practice!

 

nmbigfoot02

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 13, 2011
130
0
I had the same problem you're describing initially. I had a "eureka" moment and have improved my packing technique ever since. I packed the bowl extremly loose, gave it a very loose tamp, and lit it. Once I got it lit, I gently tamped down the tobacco while drawing. I was immediately able to get a feel for what the draw is supposed to be like. Worked for me and might be worth a shot.

 

romeowood

Lifer
Jan 1, 2011
1,943
161
The Interwebs
Or you suck it up through the stem into your mouth... :mrgreen:
Hehe, happens to us all. Unfortunately I find that stingers contribute rather than mitigate this. Alas I consider it blasphemy to remove a stinger, so I adjust my cadence and tobacco to suit those pipes best. Also I try to avoid smoking while reclining too far in my easy chair :nana:

 

kashmir

Lifer
May 17, 2011
2,712
70
Northern New Jersey
Hey timmay,
I've been through this a number of times before with a number of different newbies who wanted to "learn the gentle art of pipe smoking", so I'm gonna send you an email that I recently sent to a friend of mine who had the same problems as you. Hope it helps, and let me know how it goes. We've got to accumulate new brethren if we are to survive, so its worth retaining every new member I can. So here goes:
First of all there is a lot to pipe smoking. Its not as casual as a

cigarette, but it is the perfect substitute if, like me and many

others, you can not abandon Lady Nicotine fully, but wish to live a

full life and yet still enjoy the act of smoking (minus the lung

cancer, etc....).
So, the first thing to note is who among men did smoke a pipe, and

most importantly how long did they live. I attach to this email a PDF

illustrating a series of important men (and women) who were adherent

pipe smokers, along with their biographies. This will tell you that

you stand in good company should you decide to take up the briar and

leaf.
Secondly, pipe smokers are a literary lot, and do spend a lot of time

reading, as the pipe is the perfect accompaniment to a good book. And

indeed there are a number of literary guides to pipe smoking. Several

that are a must read include:
In Search of Pipe Dreams by Rick Newcombe

Confessions of a Pipeman ... An irreverent guide for today's

pipe-smoking man Gary B. Schrier and Marty Pulvers

The Pipe Smoker's Tobacco Book by Robert F. Winans

The Ultimate Pipe Book by Richard Carleton Hacker
Also, there is a brilliant magazine for the pipeman called "Pipes and

Tobacco" and back issues are available for under $10. A great rag to

get caught up on things pipe related. Also, perusing through these

issues, you really to garner the understanding that the pipe itself is

a work of art, and is one of the driving forces behind smoking a pipe.

Their website is: http://www.pt-magazine.com/. I have most of their

back issues.
I also enclose a PDF of my own pipe collection to give you an idea of

their cost etc. There are many, many CHOICES in pipeland, not the

least of which is the style of pipe, the makers and of course what you

put into it - the type of tobacco. I will try to recap some of this

wisdom in this email.
The absolutely best site on the net to enter the work of pipes is

smokingpipes.com. Their coverage is magnificant and exhaustive,

brilliantly illustrated and great service. Their website is:

http://www.smokingpipes.com/. Not only do they sell everything you

will ever need, but they illustrate each pipe fully. Check this site

out and study it in detail. It is the BEST place to go. I study this

site for hours...get on their mailing list to get the newsletter.
As to the make of the pipe, the best of the best, in my opinion, and

is what I collect, are pipes from the Dunhill company (London,

England). New ones go for $350 - $650+. Estate pipes, that is used

pipes, which are cleaved and sanitized, are around $200 to $400+. I

refer here only to Dunhills. Of course, you can pick up great smokers

for under $100 (see below).
As to style of pipe again there are a multitude of choices. For the

beginner the best pipes are the straight pipes in such styles as

Billiards, Bulldogs, Apples, Pots and Chimneys. These are the easiest

to clean during and after the smoke, which usually lasts 30 min to an

hour or more. Bent pipes are more prone to difficulties and should be

avoided. Bents go by quarters, halfs and full bents.
This is the bare minimum that you will need to get started, all

available at smokingpipes.com:
1. A pipe, preferably 7 or more (eventually), as you need to let pipes

rest after a smoke and need others in your daily rotation.

2. A pipe tamper or two to tamp down the tobacco during the smoke.

These are usually sold as a "pipe tool" with a poker.

3. A butane lighter such as the "Oldboy" made by Corona plus flints, and butane.

4. Hundreds, if not thousands, of pipe cleaners. Don't worry they're cheap.

5. A bottle of 150 proof, palatable grain alcohol. Buy "Everclear", a

grain alcohol available in liquor stores. Don't drink the stuff, as it

is very strong, and it'll kill you. The bottle has all sorts of

warnings. You will dip the pipe cleaner in the alcohol, and use it to

ream you pipe after every smoke to clean the bit, shank and bowl. Each

cleaning takes 2 or 3 pipe cleaners, using both ends. The last one is

used dry. Then the pipe is placed, bowl down to dry.

6. A pipe ashtray with a cork in the middle for tapping you pipe clean.

7. A nice pipe rack for when you get several pipes. You'll see that

this hobby can become all consuming, and the beauty of the pipes will

propel you to want to acquire many.

8. Tobacco to smoke....
What to smoke? Now that's where the choices become intensely profound.

The good news is that they are relatively cheap, and many are great.

You will find that tobaccos blends are like wines, with many

varieties, types etc. Learning tobaccos is like learning wines. The

difference between a cigarette and a pipe is like the difference

between a Coke and pricey French wines. Also many pipe tobacco blends

come out of micro-blenders, like micro-breweries for beers.

Investigating the various tobacco blends is the pipeman's life long

pursuit.
The best micro-blender today is without doubt G.L. Pease. He has a

number of outstanding blends. His website is:

http://www.glpease.com/BriarAndLeaf/, from which he runs a blog called

Briar and Leaf Chronicles. Check it out. But all of his tobaccos can

be gotten from smokingpipes.com.
There are essentially three types of tobacco for pipes:
1. Aromatics (e.g., Burley tobacco or Cavendish tobacco cased with

Cherry, Vanilla, Chocolates, Licorice, etc.)

2. Virginia Perique Blends (very sweet aged Virginia tobaccos with the

condiment tobacco Perique).

3. English Blends (a mixture of Virginias, Perique, and Orientals)
Most serious pipemen avoid Aromatics, as they tend to smoke wet and

hot. The tobacco used is the cheapest (e.g., Burley and Cavendish)

because the casing is the flavor that is sold to the smoker. The

second two types are what most stick to, as they have no additives and

the sweetness and flavor are all naturally derived from the tobacco

(e.g., Virginias, Periques, and Orientals).
A great website for reviewing the thousands of choices re: pipe

tobaccos is http://www.tobaccoreviews.com/. My alias on this review

site is "Kashmir".
I smoke the following tobaccos on a regular basis:
WESTMINSTER

Type: English

Blender: GL Pease

Tin Description: The very essence of the traditional English mixture;

rich, elegant, refined, and exquisitely balanced. New World red

Virginias are enhanced with a gentle caress of bright leaf, then

lavishly seasoned with rich oriental tobaccos and generous measures of

noble Cyprus mountain Latakia. Westminster is a satisfying blend,

presenting layers of flavor to delight the senses and develop in the

bowl. A perfect everyday English mixture. Full-bodied.
HADDO'S DELIGHT

Type: Virginia Perique Blend

Blender: GL Pease

Tin Description: Haddo's Delight is a stout blend of several Virginia

tobaccos with a generous measure of long-cut perique. Unflavored Green

River black Cavendish and a little air-cured white burley ribbon

provide fullness, body, and a bit of extra strength. Finally, an

exclusive process darkens and marries the mixture, and gives the blend

a subtle tin aroma of cocoa and dried fruit. The flavor is full on the

palate, earthy, slightly sweet and intriguingly piquant, with

overtones of figs and raisins. A wonderful blend for the perique

lover!
ESCUDO NAVY DELUX

Type: Virginia Perique Blend

Blender: Peter Stokkeby

Tin Description: A combination of full bodied Virginia from North

Carolina and Virginia blended with Perique from Louisiana are the

cornerstones in Escudo. The blend is pressed and matured before it is

spun and cut into coins. This process ensures the unique character of

Escudo. The only continuously produced tobacco since the 1840s.
CAPTAIN BLACK, White Label

Type: Aromatic (Vanilla and Licorice)

Blender: Lane Limited

Tin Description: Rich Black Cavendish tobaccos, mild delightfully aromatic.
What I would do is go to smokingpipes.com, buy several cheap pipes

from Stanwell, Brebbia or Peterson for under a $100 each, and 2 ounce

cans of the following: GL Pease's WESTMINSTER, for an English, ESCUDO

to sample a Virgina Perique blend and some Captain Black (White Label)

for an aromatic. This last one can be bought locally at any tobacco

store. Try the one in Madison. You will also need the other

accoutrements mentioned above to get you started. Pipe smoking is a

more involved process, as compared to cigarettes. But the reward is

far greater.
Once you get started, call me up and we can get together and I can

show you a number of things to get going. Like how to pack the pipe,

drawing the smoke etc. These are things that can be learned

empirically but take time and effort. For packing the pipe, what you

use is the Frank Method. Fill the bow to the brim, and tamp side with

finder to settle the tobacco in. Then, with only very slight pressure

press down with finger. Repeat two more times, the thid and last

pressing down firmly. The idea is that the tobacco at the bottom is

packed much looser than the tobacco at the top. The first light is

called the "charing light" and simply is designed to produce some

slight ash on the top of the bowl. Pull in several times to create

this ash. Then, with the tamper, tamp down the tobacco. Now the real

light comes to start the smoke. The most important thing to remember

is that the slower you smoke, the cooler the smoke and the more

nuanced the flavors of the smoke. The worst one can do is to puff

rapidly, generate a lot of heat, which will result in a smoke with NO

flavor, and a burned buccal cavity to boot, called "tongue bite". So

this is called the "Gentle Art of Pipe Smoking". Pipe competitions are

held in which the goal is "who finished last not first". That is, who

can smoke the slowest, a single bowl of 3g of tobacco, without the

pipe going out. The world record is some three hours.
Anyways, let me know if all of this helps.

 
Nov 14, 2009
1,194
2
Flowery Branch, GA
Yeah, I only have a couple of pipes I smoke with a stinger. Needless to say, they don't get smoked often at all because of them. I really should look at removing the blasted things.
nmbigfoot02, are you truly in GA and love the Yellow Jackets?

 

collin

Part of the Furniture Now
Oct 29, 2010
881
2
Oklahoma
Hang in there bud,.....I'm pretty sure we've all been there.

For the most part, I don't have much trouble keeping a pipe lit, unless I'm really distracted.
However,........every now and then I load up a bowl that does absolutely nothing but piss me off!
Take your time and keep a good lighter handy,....nobody's going to ask you to step down. :D

 

bubbadreier

Lifer
Jul 30, 2010
3,011
4
Norman, Oklahoma
In my opinion it is because you are packing your pipe wrong and not tamping when you should.
I always say to pack tighter than you think you should and tamp more often than your think your should. Also make sure to draw on the pipe while you are tamping. :D

 

igloo

Lifer
Jan 17, 2010
4,083
5
woodlands tx
If you pack the bowl in three stages , light at the bottom , medium in the center and firm on the top useing your thumbs to press the tobacco into the bowel . Next breath and count then puff . Find your number it could be 15 or it could be 20 or who knows . Set your rhythm . You should always be able to hold your pipe by the bowl when smoking , if you can not ,increase your count . You are smoking to fast . Look into the bowl is it lit almost all the way around if not , spend more time in the lighting process . 8)

 

juni

Lifer
Mar 9, 2010
1,184
15
Wow, good answers here. I just try to keep it simple:

Code:
- pack your bowl to the top, squeeze in as much as you can (but not too tightly, tightly enough so that you stil can comfortably get air through), then remove the tobacco and set it to dry for at least fifteen minutes. I do this to measure how much tobacco fits in the bowl.</p>
<p>- airfill the bowl (drop tobacco down into it until the bowl is full - no pressing down at all)</p>
<p>- grab the rest of the tobacco in one hand (sort of loosely) while holding the pipe in the other. Put the tobacco against the top of the bowl and massage the tobacco in from all sides but [b]not[/b] from the top. When you are done you should have a easy airflow through the pipe.

This is my modified "Frank" method.
While smoking use the tamper to re-light the bowl and if you feel the bottom of the bowl get wet just run a pipe cleaner through the stem to the bottom of the bowl.
And don't worry about re-lights! They are no big deal.

 

julesholling

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jan 19, 2011
268
1
Sutton, Surrey
There's loads and loads of great tips on here but i would just like to trow my hat into the ring too
1 - Let the tobacco dry before putting it into the bowl. I used to have the same problems as you until i took a bit of tobacco out of the tin/jar, set it aside for 20 mins and then filled my bowl. Smokes like a charm now.

2 - Don't pack too tight, if anything pack it looser and don't tamp too hard.

3 - sip it slowly, don't puff like a train.

4 - Don't worry about re-lights. as long as your enjoying the smoke don't get too caught up in the whole 'number of relights' thing. As long as your enjoying it then your doing it right :D

 

tiltjlp

Can't Leave
Apr 9, 2011
396
2
Cheviot Ohio
At this point, you're probably frustrated, and that's making you focus and think too much on what you're doing, pipe-wise. If you usually smoke while relaxing, do something you enjoy, to help take your mind off smoking. Or if you usually smoke while doing something else, relax with a good book, or a favorite movie. The less you think about smoking your pipe, the better. It takes time for everything about pipe smoking to fall into place, so focus on packing your pipe looser, which is probably the hardest thing to get right..

 
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