Icons of manliness...
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James Stewart is a good choice. If an actor actually saw combat on the front line, then I do find them acceptable as an icon of manliness. Earnest Borgnine comes to mind.
"During his naval service Borgnine rose in rank from seaman to gunner's mate first class. Upon his discharge in 1945, he was allowed to wear the American Campaign Medal, the Good Conduct Medal, the American Defense Service Medal with Fleet Clasp, and the World War II Victory Medal."
"During his naval service Borgnine rose in rank from seaman to gunner's mate first class. Upon his discharge in 1945, he was allowed to wear the American Campaign Medal, the Good Conduct Medal, the American Defense Service Medal with Fleet Clasp, and the World War II Victory Medal."
Gen George Paton,
Gen Douglas McArthur,
American history, even world history is full of real manly men.
sorry but hollyweird freaktards will never measure up to any of the rough riders, of war vets, or mr.Crispus Adix that's the first man to stand up to the English army here in America. He was a black business owner, and he was killed in the sparking of the American revolution.
Gen George Washington crossing the Potomac river in John boats with ice flowing on Christmas eve night to face the Hessians on the other side.
Martin Luther who nailed grievances to the front door of the almighty church knowing it was his death warrant.
His name sake who came later, Martin Luther King Jr. Who stood up for civil rights in the Jim crow south and did so knowing he would be killed eventually.
real men who stood with strength and courage through out history.
Gen Douglas McArthur,
American history, even world history is full of real manly men.
sorry but hollyweird freaktards will never measure up to any of the rough riders, of war vets, or mr.Crispus Adix that's the first man to stand up to the English army here in America. He was a black business owner, and he was killed in the sparking of the American revolution.
Gen George Washington crossing the Potomac river in John boats with ice flowing on Christmas eve night to face the Hessians on the other side.
Martin Luther who nailed grievances to the front door of the almighty church knowing it was his death warrant.
His name sake who came later, Martin Luther King Jr. Who stood up for civil rights in the Jim crow south and did so knowing he would be killed eventually.
real men who stood with strength and courage through out history.
I used to have a poster of Lee Marvin as his character in "The Wild One" on the wall in my office. A placard below read "Lee Marvin - Patron Saint of Office 
". He was waaaaaayy cooler than Brando. :worship:
". He was waaaaaayy cooler than Brando. :worship:
All good picks, but manliness is not just sticking your chest out during combat, Men who take care of aging parents, and kids with disabilities, Manliness can take many forms, Being a good man and doing the right thing in a world of slings and arrows is my definition of Manilness. Oh by the way McArthur boggled out and left Wainright to show what Manilness is all about.
I'm with Bradley on this one too. I routinely operated for 72 hours straight in the Nav, Gulf 1, Somalia. I've owned my own Krav Maga school ant trained with many of the great MMA fighters and being manly to me is taking care of my wife and son, and being the best role model to my son as possible. I do not want him to feel the need to be able to fight like I felt.
That said, my icons are defined by my experiences: Admiral Horatio Lord Nelson, John Paul Jones, Admiral Nimitz,, and Admiral Robert Copeland (turned his destroyer into a vastly superior Japanese surface fleet, ensuring its doom, but by doing so emboldened the other destroyers in Taffy 3 to follow suit and caused the Japanese to withdraw thus saving the Leyte Gulf landing).
Better men than I.
That said, my icons are defined by my experiences: Admiral Horatio Lord Nelson, John Paul Jones, Admiral Nimitz,, and Admiral Robert Copeland (turned his destroyer into a vastly superior Japanese surface fleet, ensuring its doom, but by doing so emboldened the other destroyers in Taffy 3 to follow suit and caused the Japanese to withdraw thus saving the Leyte Gulf landing).
Better men than I.
This is obviosuly an American discussion. I find it interesting to see the definitions of manliness being proffered; in Europe one of the most popular actors is Vincent Cassell, who often plays a tough guy, but he is almost always a tough guy with something extra, usually very articulate, stylish and prone to philosophy, with a sense of the un-necessariness of his situation. Ken Watanabe is a great Japanese tough guy, almost autistic but with a strong moral sense in an often terrible world. But I'm sure we all agree that Manliness is almost by definition a term which deliberately limits itself. For me, at least when thinking of American icons, Robert Redford is everything a man should be, the embodiment of a better time; never a coward, always hardworking, measured, courteous and civilised but with an independence and dignity few possess.
Thinking of today's ideals of masculinity, I can understand how young men beginning to make their way in the world can be confused or even perverted, surrounded by a new breed of "musician" whose only contribution to society seems to be to brag incessantly about what they've taken from it. Turn on MTV any day of the week and one can be forgiven for wanting to give up on anyone under 25 year old. Right now we have so few examples of integrity, from any sphere of life, be it business, politics, sport or "culture", that it is no wonder the membership is forced to look back to their father's generation for examples of how to live.
So I would say that, right now, someone like Moby would be a decent example of manliness; intelligent, articulate, creative and productive, with a sense of his responsibilities.
Thinking of today's ideals of masculinity, I can understand how young men beginning to make their way in the world can be confused or even perverted, surrounded by a new breed of "musician" whose only contribution to society seems to be to brag incessantly about what they've taken from it. Turn on MTV any day of the week and one can be forgiven for wanting to give up on anyone under 25 year old. Right now we have so few examples of integrity, from any sphere of life, be it business, politics, sport or "culture", that it is no wonder the membership is forced to look back to their father's generation for examples of how to live.
So I would say that, right now, someone like Moby would be a decent example of manliness; intelligent, articulate, creative and productive, with a sense of his responsibilities.
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"Paint Your Wagon" is absolutely one of the best ways to spend an evening with the family. Two of the toughest screen personalities in a musical. Singing? Marvin and Eastwood? "I was born under a wondering star . . . " and Marvin pulled it off!
Icons? I'd love to spend an evening with James Garner. His politics aside, Korea service, Rockford Files and, I think one of the best movies ever made "The Americanization of Emily" would make for interesting conversation. Ah, who am I kidding, I'd love to engage him in a bit political repartee also.
James Caan would be another. "Gardens of Stone" pretty much summed up what was happening in America during the war in Nam. If you are too young to remember and want a really unbiased overview of the mixed emotions of the Country, rent it! Then settle in, no distractions, and watch it closely.
Icons? I'd love to spend an evening with James Garner. His politics aside, Korea service, Rockford Files and, I think one of the best movies ever made "The Americanization of Emily" would make for interesting conversation. Ah, who am I kidding, I'd love to engage him in a bit political repartee also.
James Caan would be another. "Gardens of Stone" pretty much summed up what was happening in America during the war in Nam. If you are too young to remember and want a really unbiased overview of the mixed emotions of the Country, rent it! Then settle in, no distractions, and watch it closely.
Okay, think outside the box with me for a minute. It could be Susan B. Anthony who stood down nearly all the men
of the U.S. and most of the women, when she went to register to vote, was hauled into court, found guilty, and fined $100 for
voting (U.S. versus Susan B. Anthony) and announced she would never pay the fine, and never did. That's some
two fisted macho crap that went down there.
of the U.S. and most of the women, when she went to register to vote, was hauled into court, found guilty, and fined $100 for
voting (U.S. versus Susan B. Anthony) and announced she would never pay the fine, and never did. That's some
two fisted macho crap that went down there.
My personal favorites beeing; Clint Eastwood and the Duke....but wanted to add a few new names to the list;
William Holden
Sven-Ole Thorsen
Kirk Dougals
William Holden
Sven-Ole Thorsen
Kirk Dougals
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