How Long do Lakeland Toppings Last When Cellared?

[coming to_falling too]

May he sauce in peace

RIP Bob the night shift dude

 

[woodsroad]

LOL! Although I suppose you could say that - you know in a 'new management' actually wanted to do things legally kind of way and keep the business going, ensure the company and legacy carried on, not constantly lose money, new management wanted to make good quality tobacco not stuff that was constantly going mouldy...... If only all those Bob fans actually knew 1% of the truth and what really went on........You certainly would not have the the number of blends available in the USA or the quantity or regularity of the blends if your infamous Bob was still involved. In fact if there was not new management we'd probably have very few staff left to make the tobacco, would be tied up in numerous HR law suits as well as shut down by the government for not being compliant and meeting regulations, not to mention the company would have been run into the ground.



No, Bob had practically nothing to do with production. And given that the one most people are saying is less saucy is Ennerdale and that is a GH product and nothing to do with SG or the merger...........

If GH was losing money while Bob worked there, it wasn’t his doing. The bottom line is the responsibility of the board of directors and the owners/shareholders, not the employees.

And please stop droning on about “if you only knew”. Tell us, or keep quiet. The proof is in the pudding, and all you’ve shown us is an empty plate.

 

[telescopes]

I don't personally know Bob. But if Bob is a human, companies won't really be able to disclose much about his HR jacket. I did read Bob's response to the allegations - that's readily available on line - and to be honest - Bob didn't provide any meaningful details other than to say, and it is almost a quote, "If only I could tell you..." So what are we left with?

I can tell you... A tobacco company that unlike Sutliff, is still with us. But, for any and all who are unhappy about how the sauce has or has not changed.... don't buy any more G&W or SG. But I doubt that is an option. The world changes. Tobaccos change. It should come as no surprise and yeh, the tins suck, but we all knew that before we bought them. But still we bought them. And still we will continue to buy them.

I say, if anyone is unhappy with the answers they are getting own this thread, take them to Ernie of WCC and ask him for his shoulder to cry on. But ask nicely...

 

[telescopes]

I forgot to add a smiling emoji.

 

[Skippy B. Coyote]

LOL! Although I suppose you could say that - you know in a 'new management' actually wanted to do things legally kind of way and keep the business going, ensure the company and legacy carried on, not constantly lose money, new management wanted to make good quality tobacco not stuff that was constantly going mouldy...... If only all those Bob fans actually knew 1% of the truth and what really went on........You certainly would not have the the number of blends available in the USA or the quantity or regularity of the blends if your infamous Bob was still involved. In fact if there was not new management we'd probably have very few staff left to make the tobacco, would be tied up in numerous HR law suits as well as shut down by the government for not being compliant and meeting regulations, not to mention the company would have been run into the ground.

In that case I'll take you over Bob any day of the week! There's nothing else on the market from other companies even remotely similar to Gawith's dark fired blends, and I'd be much less happy as a pipe smoker if they ceased to exist.

I do have to wonder if folks complaining about the sauce levels have actually tried the current production blends though, since I've tried a couple of this year's batches of Dark Flake Aromatic, 1792 Flake, Bosun Cut Plug, and Coniston Cut Plug and with the exception of Coniston they've all been quite heavily sauced; and I get the impression that Coniston was always supposed to be more lightly sauced than the others for a more subtly flavored experience.

In any case, they're all really good and quite flavorful. I think old people just love complaining about the way things used to be, which I should know cause I'm old and love complaining about the way things used to be too lol The current Gawith blends are very good though.

 

[gawithhoggarth]

If GH was losing money while Bob worked there, it wasn’t his doing. The bottom line is the responsibility of the board of directors and the owners/shareholders, not the employees.

And please stop droning on about “if you only knew”. Tell us, or keep quiet. The proof is in the pudding, and all you’ve shown us is an empty plate.

Such naivety as to how business works..........but yes ultimately old management was changed by the directors.

 

[Chasing Embers]

if folks complaining about the sauce levels have actually tried the current production blends

We have, that's what started the whole thing. The difference between pre 2018 and 2018/present are night and day. People ridiculed myself and @condorlover1 for a bit for saying so until they noticed the changes and the company continued to deny any obvious changes. Would you want Penzance without Latakia even if Germain swore it was there?

 

[Steddy]

It’s fight night at the Forum!

In this corner we have multiple grown ass men, known to dish it out like Thanksgiving side dishes!

In this corner we have….wait…what? Just one wee Lass from England? But don’t worry folks, she is a fiery fighter with a brutal strike known as the butt punch and boy does it HURT!

 

[LeafErikson]

If tobacco sauce gets us this fired up let’s just be happy we can’t discuss politics

 

[buroak]

More recent Gawith lakelands I find that the toppings fade pretty quickly. 2 or 3 years and I'm wishing there was more sauce

I labeled my most recent jars: Dark Flake Scented?

 

[fireground_piper]

We have, that's what started the whole thing. The difference between pre 2018 and 2018/present are night and day. People ridiculed myself and @condorlover1 for a bit for saying so until they noticed the changes and the company continued to deny any obvious changes. Would you want Penzance without Latakia even if Germain swore it was there?

And taste is subjective. For every complaint, there's also another who will state they've smoked it for the past 40 years and other than consistently being inconsistent, nothing has majorly changed.

 

[Chasing Embers]

And taste is subjective. For every complaint, there's also another who will state they've smoked it for the past 40 years and other than consistently being inconsistent, nothing has majorly changed.

A couple of those had gone years without smoking and claiming the time they were absent. There was a time when Ennerdale would ghost a pipe just by smoking it once. The current iteration poses no threat of ghosting.

 

[Chasing Embers]

If tobacco sauce gets us this fired up let’s just be happy we can’t discuss politics

True but some aspects of the conversation are making it clear how easily a dictatorship can happen.

 

[fireground_piper]

A couple of those had gone years without smoking and claiming the time they were absent. There was a time when Ennerdale would ghost a pipe just by smoking it once. The current iteration poses no threat of ghosting.

I always enjoyed when Oldgeezersmoker would comment and is the first that comes to mind. Level headed, smoked a lot of GH and always well informative.

 

[LeafErikson]

More recent Gawith lakelands I find that the toppings fade pretty quickly. 2 or 3 years and I'm wishing there was more sauce

Blenders don’t sell tobaccos to be stored for years before consumption.

 

[telescopes]

Blenders don’t sell tobaccos to be stored for years before consumption.

However, this is actually a market primed for opening. Quick witted blenders could start offering blends specifically designed to improve with age and offer them in tins designed to hold up 20-30 years. Hello! Virgin market ready for the taking.

 

[telescopes]

Actually, the tins are whatever could be filled with a nobel gas and the tobacco could also be offered to taste the same as when it was purchased new, allowing hoarders to keep on hand tobacco that will go unchanged.

 

[eljimmy]

Blenders don’t sell tobaccos to be stored for years before consumption.

I thought the same thing. But it's funny how Capstan offered their "5 year aged tins" not too long ago.

 

[woodsroad]

Actually, the tins are whatever could be filled with a nobel gas and the tobacco could also be offered to taste the same as when it was purchased new, allowing hoarders to keep on hand tobacco that will go unchanged.

They’d have to irradiate the tobacco. Even then, I think it would continue to degrade change.

 

[buroak]

Actually, the tins are whatever could be filled with a nobel gas and the tobacco could also be offered to taste the same as when it was purchased new, allowing hoarders to keep on hand tobacco that will go unchanged.

That might work with Cornell & Diehl tins, but the round and square tins’ seals are not up to the task. It is an intriguing idea, though. That is basically what those of using oxygen absorbers are trying to accomplish. I suspect the impact on prices would be more than what many smokers, even hoarders, would pay.

They’d have to irradiate the tobacco. Even then, I think it would continue to degrade change.

There is also this. If the DoD had gotten around to making MREs in the era when cigarettes were included in rations, we might have been given a workable means of such tobacco storage. Then again, I have a hard time imagining some contractor caring about whether a soldier under fire in a foxhole was smoking fresh or stale tobacco.

And taste is subjective. For every complaint, there's also another who will state they've smoked it for the past 40 years and other than consistently being inconsistent, nothing has majorly changed.

I will say that Cannon Plug, which I smoked for the first time yesterday, seemed adequately sauced. I doubt I am overestimating. I was smoking in cold, windy weather. Those factors should have diminished my perception of the toppings.

True but some aspects of the conversation are making it clear how easily a dictatorship can happen.

Agreed.