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mayfair70

Lifer
Sep 14, 2015
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Scorpions, maybe, but you'd have to have a shitload of them

Not really... in general, the smaller they are, the more toxic their venom. And so easily overlooked. :twisted: Why, they could be in my bath towels right now and I wouldn't know it. So many people keep them as pets nowadays...
One of my favorite publications is the Darwin Awards... You're welcome! :rofl:
http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2017.html

 

toobfreak

Lifer
Dec 19, 2016
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Toob, too much TV and not enough crime scenes. Trained investigators plow right through the stuff you outlined.
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Tim, I thought it pretty apparent that I was stating the matter pretty simply here because this was all being said in jest for the sake of fun, just like the livers, just like the cannibalism and sodomy, but if you really think trained investigators couldn't be fooled by something like this then you have another thing coming! I mean, how would you know if you are fooled? All it takes is someone with the right knowledge of CSI.
Btw, electrical shock from a power tool or power anything went away in the 70's. Modern wiring protects people from themselves or angry wives.
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Again, if you think so, then I don't want you to do my wiring. You obviously have a very limited knowledge of electricity. Even a GFIC has limitations to its protection. But it is all a moot point since some of you have taken this thread far more seriously than intended. You'd think people here were actually seriously planning in public how to commit a murder!

 

aldecaker

Lifer
Feb 13, 2015
4,407
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Love the Darwin Awards. One of the things that always stuck with me from the book "Guns, Germs, and Steel" was the author pointing out that the biggest genetic imperative for survival in modern, industrialised societies is resistance to germs. By which he means NOT intelligence. Unintelligent bloodlines no longer die out, because, frankly, they simply don't have to.

 

toobfreak

Lifer
Dec 19, 2016
1,365
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Bottom line is that if anything worthwhile has been learned from the several threads about guns, homes, rights and invasion, it is to know your laws, be prepared for the unexpected, THINK on your feet before you act rashly, and do what needs to be done.
If you gotta shoot someone, beyond being justified, it should be unavoidable, but beyond that, realize that most laws are not there to protect the victim. If at all possible, you will be charged with any and all crimes possible. It is what prosecutors live for. :mrgreen:
Gotta feed the attorneys, and attorneys get rich because the legal system isn't there to serve justice effectively, it is there to funnel people through the system circuitously in order to extract as much money from them as possible. It is the western world's way of saying: innocent or not, you either pay up front in legal fees or you will pay out back in legal time in prison.
Some would call that extortion.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
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Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
toob: You may be more cynical than I am. And, I experienced contact with attorneys almost daily in my career.
The right to take a life lawfully is in fact, in place to do exactly that, protect the righteous shooter. So be righteous!
Not knowing where you live, I'll still take issue with "It is what prosecutors live for." I've known great prosecutors, mediocre ones and more than one who was incompetent. But, in my years, I never met one who wanted to manipulate the evidence in order to prosecute a person. Perhaps I was just lucky or ignorant. But, I never knew an attorney, prosecuting or defense, who desired to lose a case. I've read of some, the Lacrosse player case being one. But, my personal experience certainly doesn't mirror what you've experienced.
Defense attorneys are usually paid by the hour. They can bill an hour multiple times in certain circumstances. Prosecuting attorneys and judges have no such option/incentive, they are paid a salary. So, the only part of the system that may be driven by money are the defense attorneys, as they are likely losing money if they are in the courtroom. Judges with a reputation of forcing defense attorneys to move forward are often recused by the defense at the start of the process.
All of the above is meaningless, of course, if you reside in a jurisdiction where people in the system routinely accept bribes. And, in such jurisdictions, those cases often move very, very fast.

 

bigpond

Lifer
Oct 14, 2014
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Bottom line is that if anything worthwhile has been learned from the several threads about guns, homes, rights and invasion, it is to know your laws, be prepared for the unexpected, THINK on your feet before you act rashly, and do what needs to be done.
"Nah, see, I wouldn't have shot him, I would have thrown a wire noose around his neck while he was soaping up like they use to catch rabid dogs and choked him down. Then me and my buddy would have dragged his soapy dead ass out the door back to where he belonged off my property into a neighbor's yard (maybe his own!) for someone else to find, then cleaned up and had a pizza and cold beer"



If you gotta shoot someone, beyond being justified, it should be unavoidable, but beyond that, realize that most laws are not there to protect the victim.

"Gotta feed the attorneys, and attorneys get rich because the legal system isn't there to serve justice effectively, it is there to funnel people through the system circuitously in order to extract as much money from them as possible. "
Rage fantasy, conspiracy theory, paranoia, feelings of oppression and detachment from reality all in two posts. That has to win a prize. And that prize is a room with padded walls.
Is it a good time to discuss the ignore poster feature again?

 

deathmetal

Lifer
Jul 21, 2015
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All of the above is meaningless, of course, if you reside in a jurisdiction where people in the system routinely accept bribes. And, in such jurisdictions, those cases often move very, very fast.
There seem to be many of these. We're living in a third world style failed state.

 

toobfreak

Lifer
Dec 19, 2016
1,365
7
The difference Bigpond, which seems to elude you is which were said tongue and cheek and which were serious. I just find it hard to justify lethal force (legally) against a guy who is naked, wet, drunk, unarmed, and unaware of you.
Since the homeowner discovered him long before the intruder knew anything, hard to make the case of feeling your life in danger and shooting rather than fleeing and calling the cops, but as far as the toaster or TV in the tub, one might also simply have flung the curtain open and kicked his legs out from under him! The fall alone might accomplish the purpose of disabling him, rendering him unconscious, etc., long enough to make a citizen's arrest or get the police.
I really wouldn't want to shoot someone in my shower and have all that blood and a bullet hole in my tile for the rest of my life then have to use the shower--- unless I felt there was no other choice. I know a lot of people have made a brave noise on this thread but push come to shove, I'm betting most would do the same thing. The guy in this story didn't and because of that, it is likely going to cost him a very great deal.

 

toobfreak

Lifer
Dec 19, 2016
1,365
7
Good point Michael. Turn off cold water. Man shrieks in shock and confusion. Fling open curtain and punch him in the face. Make citizen arrest. Case closed. Save your bullets for the deer.

 

aldecaker

Lifer
Feb 13, 2015
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Or I suppose you could try yelling, "Get the fuck out of my house, you soggy asshole!" and see where that goes.

 

deathmetal

Lifer
Jul 21, 2015
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36
These days, I am a pro drinker. If I break into a building, it is usually a Costco. There, I feast on microwave food and pass out in the furniture section, where I am not discovered until days later.

 

toobfreak

Lifer
Dec 19, 2016
1,365
7
Not to rehash an old topic (well, actually, yeah), but has it occurred to anyone that had the victim simply had a home security system, when he broke in to take his shower, he would have set off the alarm and the police would have come and got him? No need to come in, find him and shoot the bastard.
Even if you are home, you can set them to monitor your doors and windows while you move about freely on the second floor zone, etc.

 
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