Historical accuracy of important events

[Briar Lee]

He actually did not. Hope you have enough tobacco to last you for a month.

Leif Eiriksson beat him to it by almost 500 years. And even Leif couldn't claim discovery, for Bjarni Herjolfsson sighted the continent first.

The Vikings had bad public relations agents, and they wore horns and were a bunch of drunken pillaging barbaric slobs that conjure up images of drunken men all scratching their balls in a beer joint.

After Columbus realized those savages weren’t from the West Indies, other Spaniards came and conquered Mexico to plunder gold in cool steel breastplates and then loaded galleons full of gold that English pirates liberated and the pirates all had beautiful wenches.

And after that the Pilgrims came, and the Indians had a really woke immigration policy, and we know how badly that turned out for the Indians, who blew the $24 in wampum they got for Manhattan.

So although Columbus discovered Indians that weren’t really Indians, he technically didn’t discover America.


But he set it all up, you know?

 

[jpberg]

The Nazi Sympathy threads always start so innocently.

 

[georged]

The Nazi Sympathy threads always start so innocently.

So says a man---an entity, at any rate---with a board name that (teasingly) is only one letter different than a group of cosmic-level takeover specialists that make Hitler & Co. look like amateurs.

An advance agent who can't help but amuse himself by calling attention to What Is Headed Toward Earth and will arrive shortly?

That's some evil ironic humor, right there.

So much for thinking the Borg are emotionless...

 

[JoburgB2]

What value is there in knee jerk estimates when there are thousands of school districts in the United States and curriculum isn't homogeneous.

Just begging for an unnecessary political discussion.

The example is completely out of context. There isn't anything in there about Argentina's educational system and no suggestion history has been taught inaccurately - no secret about Nazis and South America in general - they are just lifting the veil on specifics, good for them.

The analogy to deer hunting? Come on now. Put yourself into the position of killing some notorious whomever and glorifying posing with them all you want --- it's a little macabre, to be kind, but like Argentina, nothing to do with our educational system.

Well said.

 

[BingBong]

I cleave to the "cui bono?" approach to history nowadays. You could say that many present day troubles date back to a meeting on Jekyll Island and the passage of a bill in December 1913. Or the actions of a major investor immediately after the Battle of Waterloo. And so forth.

One thing is for sure. The general mass of population is deeply disrespected by those who hold power, to put it mildly. Pay those who hold power due respect in that light.

 

[HawkeyeLinus]

There is an element of chain yanking, but there is also an opportunity to discuss an interesting subject other than "How do I clean my pipe?". It's in how one approaches the opportunity.

Which could be said for anything - hey, I gave it a try, but overall the OP wanted to drive some incoherent Nazi nonsense and his thing is to be on and on about religious and political and educational conspiracies and whatnot, this is just another "opportunity" for the OP to push his agenda.

I do have some pipes to clean and if it keeps raining this morning this is a good reminder.

 

[Briar Lee]

The OP does effectively strike all the hard nosed “I’m from Missouri and you have to Show Me” conservative skeptics like me a blow— by illustrating that occasionally there are global conspiracies like the Ratlines to South America.

Hitler was dead in the bunker. Mussolini hanging from a lamp post upside down.

The Allies were orchestrating the Nuremberg trials to lift the guilt of many millions of Germans, Austrians and Italians who thronged the streets cheering Hitler and Mussolini in 1939 and place it on a handful of the vilest fascist leaders and a few unlucky guards at the camps.

The vast majority of all Europeans during the rise of fascism were devout Christians. They were ardently opposed to communism. The same can be said of South Americans and North Americans and Britain and her empire and the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

Yet they were complicit in the rise of evil, before and after the fact.

History does not always repeat itself but it always rhymes.

As I grow older I’m more grateful for my mother, my preachers, and my teachers who made me almost wear out Eichmann in Jerusalem (A Report on the Banality of Evil).



It can, happen here.

And everywhere people follow a demagogue who promises what they want so desperately to hear, and place the blame for their troubles on the other, who always is a powerless little faction.
——-
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

—Martin Niemöller

 

[Hillcrest]

He actually did not. Hope you have enough tobacco to last you for a month.

Leif Eiriksson beat him to it by almost 500 years. And even Leif couldn't claim discovery, for Bjarni Herjolfsson sighted the continent first.

Allegedly, a stone tablet was found in a lesser known pyramid in Egypt with an accurate depiction of the coast of North and South America ...

 

[Hillcrest]

 

[Zzzapipe]

Which could be said for anything - hey, I gave it a try, but overall the OP wanted to drive some incoherent Nazi nonsense and his thing is to be on and on about religious and political and educational conspiracies and whatnot, this is just another "opportunity" for the OP to push his agenda.

I do have some pipes to clean and if it keeps raining this morning this is a good reminder.

A numerical value at the accuracy of the institutions that “teach” history and its important events was really all I was looking for.

A sense for the level of trust in these institutions preaching history vs critical thinking and the constant renewal of facts and information as it comes forward.

I don’t mind dialogue and anything other than a numerical value would suggest that they also are interested in dialogue.

Sometimes, facts and topics from one comment spark other conversations and lines of dialogue. (Happened here already and I appreciate the new info I received)

I was told that the war ended when we killed everyone bad.

Never heard the idea of escape routes in any of my history classes.

 

[Zzzapipe]

One thing is for sure. The general mass of population is deeply disrespected by those who hold power, to put it mildly. Pay those who hold power due respect in that light.

I would put a pin in this and definitely follow a thread on such a topic.

I’m amused and interested and understand that this is a forbidden topic. Take my money.

How do you stop my natural quench to learn and understand the world as it is constantly changing?

 

[HawkeyeLinus]

A numerical value at the accuracy of the institutions that “teach” history and its important events was really all I was looking for.

Clearly not, the ship that would have supported that suggestion sailed long ago.