HELP: Charatan Make Distinction (I'm Confused)

[Humblepipe]

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.

Just received this pipe, purchased on EBeast. This is my first Charatan. It seems to be missing the CP stamp I normally see on the stem. However, it does have a very faint marking on the stem (X - means can't make out the character):

XXX No
XXX3573 (give or take a character)

Authentic stem, yes? Any idea on dating this bad boy?

 

[olkofri]

It seems to be missing the CP stamp I normally see on the stem.

Is that why you called it a 'charlatan' in the title? ?

 

[Humblepipe]

Is that why you called it a 'charlatan' in the title? ?

And I have not even had alcohol yet. Why do I do these things? Too late to edit too. This hurts.

 

[ssjones]

I don't go deep into Charatans, but that stem is the real deal. It's not unusual for the CP to be missing.

 

[lawdogspipes]

Stem appears to be correct. The CP logo missing from the stem probably buffed off over the years. Estimate mid 60s to Mid 70s era. I think the Lane era was somewhere during this time...

 

[Humblepipe]

I don't go deep into Charatans, but that stem is the real deal. It's not unusual for the CP to be missing.

Thanks, Al. Appreciate the info. Perhaps one of our Charatan experts can help with dating. We shall see.

 

[paulfg]

I would suggest 1962-65 but i am no expert. from

Al Pascià - Charatan Pipes - Online selling - Official pipe reta - https://www.alpascia.com/moments/en/detail/81/charatan-pipes

Third period: Lane prior to Ben Wade closure c.1962 – 1965
These years can be considered a kind of continuation of the previous decade, as Wade increasingly influenced Charatan production without betraying Charatan’s traditional spirit.

• As before, the maximum pipe size is equivalent to Dunhill group 5, and these are generally less rare.
• Stem: apart from some exceptions, almost always in ebonite, frequently saddle-shaped or Double Comfort saddle type, but never tapered. The saddle stem fits into the shank perfectly and has a flattened part. On the other hand, the Double Comfort features a saddle stem with a stepped bit, which is shorter. This type of stem dates from the beginning of the third period, although again this is approximate. Indeed, some experts even date it back to the beginning of WWII. The stem bears a thicker Charatan logo (CP).

Shank: If there is a Double Comfort stem, the shape code is followed by “DC”, if not the shape code is followed by an “X”. Pipes made for the American market bear the Lane logo with a serif, circled capital L. The stamp “CHARATAN'S MAKE - LONDON ENGLAND” is arranged in two lines, and on some models the shank bears the script: “MADE BY HAND”.



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[mau1]

That's quite a nice looking pipe. You're going to enjoy it.

 

[Humblepipe]

I don't go deep into Charatans, but that stem is the real deal. It's not unusual for the CP to be missing.

Thanks for correcting the spelling error, sir.

 

[Humblepipe]

I would suggest 1962-65 but i am no expert. from

Al Pascià - Charatan Pipes - Online selling - Official pipe reta - https://www.alpascia.com/moments/en/detail/81/charatan-pipes

Third period: Lane prior to Ben Wade closure c.1962 – 1965
These years can be considered a kind of continuation of the previous decade, as Wade increasingly influenced Charatan production without betraying Charatan’s traditional spirit.

• As before, the maximum pipe size is equivalent to Dunhill group 5, and these are generally less rare.
• Stem: apart from some exceptions, almost always in ebonite, frequently saddle-shaped or Double Comfort saddle type, but never tapered. The saddle stem fits into the shank perfectly and has a flattened part. On the other hand, the Double Comfort features a saddle stem with a stepped bit, which is shorter. This type of stem dates from the beginning of the third period, although again this is approximate. Indeed, some experts even date it back to the beginning of WWII. The stem bears a thicker Charatan logo (CP).

Shank: If there is a Double Comfort stem, the shape code is followed by “DC”, if not the shape code is followed by an “X”. Pipes made for the American market bear the Lane logo with a serif, circled capital L. The stamp “CHARATAN'S MAKE - LONDON ENGLAND” is arranged in two lines, and on some models the shank bears the script: “MADE BY HAND”.



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Thanks, paulfg. Grateful.

 

[Humblepipe]

Now that I am confident it's legit. I'll restore this bad boy. I'll put dome AFTER restore photos up later.

 

[trouttimes]

I agree that it is legit. I have the twin in my rotation. It is a great smoke.

 

[Humblepipe]

I agree that it is legit. I have the twin in my rotation. It is a great smoke.
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Nice! That is gorgeous. Now I have something to aim for as I prepare to restore it.

 

[Humblepipe]

I agree that it is legit. I have the twin in my rotation. It is a great smoke.
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It has the CP stamping on the stem, trouttimes?

 

[trouttimes]

Mine does but I have several Charatans that don't. I don't think you can go by that. Wait for our expert Ken Barnes to check in. He can answer any question you might have.

 

[piffyr]

"REGD NO 203573" (small letters should be superscript, but I don't see the option)

It's a Lane era Charatan. Legit stem. CP logos are thin, shallow and easily buffed away. I do see something though. May be stamp remnants or may be schmutz.

 

[Humblepipe]

"REGD NO 203573" (small letters should be superscript, but I don't see the option)

It's a Lane era Charatan. Legit stem. CP logos are thin, shallow and easily buffed away. I do see something though. May be stamp remnants or may be schmutz.

Thanks, piffyr. Happy Thanksgiving.

 

[trouttimes]

7charb, I just looked and my Charatan in the above pic doesn't have the logo on the stem. My mistake, sorry but it still just smoked a bowl of Old Toby just fine. ??

 

[jttnk]

Nice looking pipe. Enjoy.

 

[Humblepipe]

7charb, I just looked and my Charatan in the above pic doesn't have the logo on the stem. My mistake, sorry but it still just smoked a bowl of Old Toby just fine. ??

Great. Sounds like my pipe is not missing anything. Thanks for the update.