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okiescout

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Jan 27, 2013
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"I shit you not, more older men (seniors if you will) were wearing hats indoors than younger people."
Captain, it is probably because they are covering up their bald heads. This creates and inner struggle between manners and ego. Ego generally wins. :mrgreen:

 

okiescout

Lifer
Jan 27, 2013
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"I shit you not, more older men (seniors if you will) were wearing hats indoors than younger people."
Captain, it is probably because they are covering up their bald heads. This may create and inner struggle between manners and ego. Ego generally wins. :mrgreen:

 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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Backward hat, ill-fitting pants, farting, nose-picking or belching in public... well, I'm gonna assume that they are a backward-hat-wearing, bad pants, farting, belching nose-picker, and I'm probably not going to hire them for any position of responsibility!
Damn! I guess I'm not getting that job.
The points being made are well taken. Warren's point about being sensitive to one's environment and being able to size up a situation is spot on. But I also agree that first impressions can be decieving. I'm pretty good a sizing up people and situations. In my business you need to do that or you're going to have a very rough time of it. But I've also practiced holding off on making a snap judgement, if I don't need to, in order to get a fuller picture. Don't judge a book by its cover has proven to be invaluable.

 

dochudson

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May 11, 2012
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Wow some of you folks are wrapped pretty tight. The current increase in shirts untucked is probably the result of CCW. This old guy isn't going to remove his hat while humping around inside a mall. I bet it seemed like older guy were wearing more hats than the youngest because the younger didn't have hats. Eating at fast food places like McD, etc.. the hat stays on. If I sit down and I am waited on then the hat comes off. I think it's bad manners for the younger crowd to subject me to all their piercings and those silly ear holes. What's up with those anyway?

 

griffonwing

Can't Leave
Nov 12, 2014
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I am in my early mid 40s. For 20 years, I have always worn a hat. By "hat" I refer to the fedora, trilby, porkpie, and an occasional Irish flat cap. I refuse to wear, nor do I even own, a baseball cap or trucker cap.
I am rarely seen without a hat on, even indoors. I take the hat off when I get home, and I will also remove the hat when I am in church service, out of respect. But as soon as I am out of the house, its hat on, pipe in, light up, start up, drive off.

 

mso489

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Feb 21, 2013
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Just as a point of interest, I feel sure this thread has had more posts than any thread I've ever started on Forums, which is intriguing because it isn't a pipe subject. Not because its mine, but because of the subject, it seems to have hit a nerve with members. I'm not sure why, but I find it most interesting.

 

mso489

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Feb 21, 2013
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Yeah, warren, I think that's true. Also that people feel divided about freedom versus order, and confused about the way orderliness, like good manners, can sometimes promote rather than restrict freedom. People like the idea that they can say anything and act any way they like, and be as gross or unpleasant as their mood mandates -- but that only applies to them. Everyone else is supposed to behave and be good, or else. So it's a balancing act. People are beginning to see, again, that some self restraint actually buys them some liberty. Confusing but true. But those are just my notions. I'm still interested in the long legs of this thread -- probably a lot else going on here.

 

sdcowboy

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jun 24, 2011
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Here is the etiquette that I try to practice regarding the wearing of a cowboy hat. I also don't judge anybody who deviates from this.
Cowboy Hat Etiquette
OK. As a general topic, this is an area of heated debate in some circles as etiquette, like any other human social interaction, changes with the times and location.
But the first Rule that is indisputable and critical, is DO NOT mess with a cowboy's hat. A cowboy hat is a very personal, and sometimes very expensive, item that you don't pass around. In some places, to touch a man's hat without permission will get you pile-driven into the wall, you just don't do it.
Some standard, base-line points of etiquette:

◾Any time you enter a building, the hat should come off.

◾If it is an informal occasion you may put it back on but for a formal occasion it should stay off.

◾When sitting down at a table for a meal, the hat should come off unless there is nowhere to safely lay the hat.

◾When sitting down at a counter for a meal, the hat can stay on.

◾Out on the range however, keep your hat on while you eat. If you take your hat off, another wrangler might step on it or spill food into the rim.
Now all of the above rules are frequently ignored or modified depending on the locale, the situation, the people etc. So use your best judgment and if in doubt, stick to the above rules to be sure you're not offending anyone's sensibilities.
I've always thought there was something particularly elegant about the cowboy greeting, touching one's hand to the brim of one's hat. A part of the origin of this was that when men would meet, moving the hand to the hat brim signaled friendly intentions by moving the hand away from the holster. Tipping of the cowboy hat when meeting someone depends completely upon the situation but it does show good breeding and respect.
Here are some more formal etiquette guidelines from CountryCalendar.com that go a bit farther than the standard points above. These are more old fashioned and you don't see this practiced in most areas to this degree.


 

yaddy306

Lifer
Aug 7, 2013
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The ONE and only thing that bothers me is when someone does not remove their hat when entering my, or someone else's home. I feel that it is a sign of respect to do so, and not doing so is disrespectful.
I don't think it's quite as disrespectful as not removing your shoes when entering someone's home. But maybe that's because I'm Canadian. My point is that many things that we call "manners" are just cultural or societal norms. And cultures evolve, for better or worse.

 

johnnyreb

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Aug 21, 2014
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Mso, I think when things started to change specifically concerning hat etiquette was when a segment of the male population started wearing ball caps 24/7 to hide their bald heads. Since they had never worn fedoras or trilby's and rarely wore a true cowboy hat, for the most part they didn't know anything about hat etiquette or that it would apply to ball caps. Stocking caps down over the ears (in August, no less) & rasta beanies fall in with the ball cap group. So a distinction in etiquette quickly developed between those wearing caps & those wearing hats. Then the hipsters took up wearing fedoras & trilby's and the hat etiquette started to break down between the them & the longtime hatters who had been taught hat etiquette. Add in the lack of hat racks & coat check rooms and we arrive at the breakdown where we are at today.
As a compliment I note that a lot of guys wearing the 6-panel newsboy & other flat caps seem to know hat etiquette, and that's a tribute to them.

 

mso489

Lifer
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johnnyreb, a lot of good observations and points here. Without getting too pop-psych, some of this may relate to many boys not being reared with a dad, or being reared with several dads with entirely different rule sets, which makes everything somewhat loose and negotiable. Hat etiquette in itself may be relatively trivial, but it signals lots of social dynamics that run deeper. It's true that caps have become the economy toupe. I still have hair on top, but often wear hats, and I have seen people look surprised to see me take off my cap and reveal hair. I hadn't thought of it, but it rings true that the ball-cap cultures (forwards and backwards) led to perpetual wearing of caps that was not related, for most guys, to any sort of manners. It's also good for me to be reminded that wearing and not wearing shoes is a point of etiquette for many people in various cultures and areas. Many households find it really rude if you do not remove your shoes; often they will help by reminding or explaining this. I associate this with various cultural groups, but it also applies in some areas. In and around New York City, because of the exposure to filth moving through the streets and subways, many people with wide ranging cultural backgrounds don't want your shoes on in the house, and after thinking about it, I say, good choice.

 

okiescout

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Jan 27, 2013
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"HAT FAIL"
That is hilarious, Derfargin. The only thing that could make it more funny would be if it had been a university team hat.
If he is yours, I am sure he could not be pried out of your hands, but any time you want to get rid of that pup in your avatar, he has a home at my house. Any dog that will smoke a pipe or let you hat him is one cool little dude.

At any rate he is a swell looking dog. :lol:

 
Dec 24, 2012
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I don't think it's quite as disrespectful as not removing your shoes when entering someone's home. But maybe that's because I'm Canadian.
I have noticed this when my American relatives come to visit. They don't take their shoes off at the door. Drives my wife crazy. I had always assumed that it wasn't just a Canadian thing and my rleatives were simply being rude. So, are you saying that Americans don't take their shoes off at the door when they visit someone else's home? If so, I leanred something today.

 
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OK, I didn't work through all the posts so I may have missed this, but the one hat issue that drives me crazy is when people wear baseball caps with a straight flat brim. I want to go up and grab their hat and shape the brim in a concave fashion, as baseball-style hats were meant to be shaped.
Flat brim hats should be outlawed.

 

cobguy

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
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So, are you saying that Americans don't take their shoes off at the door when they visit someone else's home?
Not usually ... unless you know that to be your friends' custom.
I want to go up and grab their hat and shape the brim in a concave fashion, as baseball-style hats were meant to be shaped ... Flat brim hats should be outlawed.
+11 !! :)

 
Dec 24, 2012
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Not usually ... unless you know that to be your friends' custom.
Maybe this explains why they look at us oddly when we visit them and remove our shoes. Aren't you concerned about dirt being tracked in?

 

cobguy

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
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Aren't you concerned about dirt being tracked in?
Some people are and they will ask you to remove your shoes upon entering. However, it's not the majority.
If you just finished walking in the mud or such, common sense would say to remove them also.
Personally, I have two big dogs that live with me and they track more dirt and hair than any human could. Thus, my investment in a fairly expensive vacuum! :)

 
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