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Briar Lee

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They couldn’t know it then but Hamilton was at the peak of their glory in the late forties.

America had won the war and was going to win the peace, as the greatest economic boom in all American history was in full flower.

My Hamilton 992 B that left Lancaster in 1950 was over a year in the making. It was the highest quality controlled consumer product in history.

You can buy all you want today for a couple or three hundred dollars.



Swiss imports just murdered them all, Elgin, Waltham, Gruen, and finally Hamilton sold out.

But there was a shining day, you know?
 

gubbyduffer

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Great videos. I have always found Hamilton's to be really classy but never owned one, and only really know them in their Swiss guise. Just seen images of the 992B pocket watch. Dont know the vintage but it looks really cool. I own one pocket watch. Tends to only get worn when I wear my kilt to weddings. The inner workings of mechanical watches are certainly a thing to behold. I went through a phase of collecting older watches from 70's to 90's a few years ago. Mainly Soviet era watches as they are inexpensive. I tried to take a broken one apart, clean it and reassemble, but found that to be beyond my ability, willingness to learn and patience.
 
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briarblues

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Even though Hamilton is not what it once was, they still make some fine time pieces.

If you are a US built Hamilton fan a fellow pipe lover you need to talk with is Phil from The Briar Report. Not only a pipe smoker, but a fully trained watch maker, and Hamilton fanatic.
 

Briar Lee

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Really?

I have at least 2 Hamilton 992b pocket watches, one is marked US ORDNANCE DEPT and acts as my desktop timepiece.

Super accurate & super quality unlike the Swiss Hamilton watches which are mediocre at best (I have a day/date Khaki King auto).

Jay.

Meet who murdered the 992 B.

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That is a 17 jewel Swiss pocket watch.

It was four times less expensive than a 992 B and had a feature where if dropped the watch kept on running.

The Hamilton was adjusted for temperature and ischonism to six positions for over a year, in their manufacture.

Both watches were modular. Both were serviceable. The Hamilton needed a service every year and the Swiss could run five years, or more, between service.

The Swiss made thousands of 17 jewel watches a day.

My 992 B is accurate to a couple or three seconds a week.

My Arnex is not all that far behind it.

The radio and television stations used to have a time setting program announcement several times a day, and people set their watches by them.

And my father’s 1958 Hamilton Thin O Matic has basically the same Swiss self winding movement sold today inside.
 
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mawnansmiff

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The radio and television stations used to have a time setting program announcement several times a day, and people set their watches by them.
Over here we have the 'pips' on most radio stations precisely on the hour.

The thing to remember is if you're listening to the pips on a DAB radio they will not be accurate as there is a delay of roughly 8 seconds whereas the pips on a VHF (FM) station are perfectly accurate and suitable for setting your timepiece. Failing that you can use the 'Time-Is' website.

"The Hamilton was adjusted for temperature and ischonism [sic] to six positions for over a year, in their manufacture".

I think you'll find that the timing of the watch took about 6-7 weeks as is mentioned in the Hamilton video.

My modern Hamilton cannot be regulated as it is factory set which annoys me no end.

Jay.
 

Briar Lee

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Over here we have the 'pips' on most radio stations precisely on the hour.

The thing to remember is if you're listening to the pips on a DAB radio they will not be accurate as there is a delay of roughly 8 seconds whereas the pips on a VHF (FM) station are perfectly accurate and suitable for setting your timepiece. Failing that you can use the 'Time-Is' website.

"The Hamilton was adjusted for temperature and ischonism [sic] to six positions for over a year, in their manufacture".

I think you'll find that the timing of the watch took about 6-7 weeks as is mentioned in the Hamilton video.

My modern Hamilton cannot be regulated as it is factory set which annoys me no end.

Jay.


Here’s the fascinating story—

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possible.

Aside from the technological advances that Hamilton made in the construction of their timepieces, extensive man hours went into the construction of each watch. The average time it took to complete a watch was nine months. No watch was ever made in less than seven months and it would not be unusual for construction to take up to a year. Of this time, two months alone are utilized in the “finishing room” where every part of the watch is tested and applied and the assembled watch tested again.

As of January 1st 1928, the Hamilton Watch Company owned and controlled the entire assets, good will, trade name and plant of the Illinois Watch Company which was located in Springfield Illinois.

In fact, many of the well-known watch manufactures during the 1920’s used the same case manufacturers Wadsworth, Fahys, and L&W (Lutringer & Wittmer) and there were only slight differences as designated by the watch manufacturer. It is important to note however that although Hamilton sold far fewer watches than Elgin, which was the leading watch manufacturer of the time, proportionately, Hamilton sold significantly more gold watches than gold-filled (over 80,000 solid gold watches in the first ten years of wristwatch production). In fact, of the five American watch manufacturers, Elgin, Waltham, Illinois and Hampden, Illinois sold relatively few solid gold watches with most being gold-filled.

Of the four American wristwatch makers (Illinois, Hampden, Elgin and Waltham), Hamilton was the last to close its doors. Although Hamilton watches are still manufactured, they are owned by the Swatch Company and are manufactured in Switzerland. Hamilton was the last of the great American watch manufacturers to cease US production in 1969. Hampden ceased wrist watch production after 1927. Hamilton bought out Illinois in 1928. Waltham dissolved in 1955, and Elgin closed its doors in 1965.


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There are no new parts for a pre 69 Hamilton watch and so I wear my Arnex regularly (which is a generic 6497 Unitas) and reserve my Hamiltons for occasional, careful use except the 992 B.

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Since the 992 B was the last Hamilton, there are still NOS parts a plenty for them. So I wear my 992 B more often but never in bad weather or where I might damage it.

I own a half a dozen Chinese copies of the 6497 in large wrist watches, all that cost new less than $100 complete:

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A real Hamilton 992 B is maybe ten times more accurate in rate than the standard $35 Chinese 6497.

But that means instead of 2-3 seconds a week it’s 20-30 seconds off. Still accurate to railroad standards.

The Chinese (or the Swiss) could reverse engineer and make a geniune 992-B.

But instead they time and regulate the 6497. It’s been used in very high dollar wrist watches.

Still yet, I’ve got a thing about trains.:)


The last railroad watch was the Elgin 571 in 1946. I own a 1950 model.

I own a 1923 Illinois Bunn Special.

And two 23 jewel Waltham Vanguard movements, a 1903 and 1940.

Plus my 1950 992 B plus a 1895 930 17 jewel Hamiltons.

All are railroad grade watches, and my 1940 Waltham was in actual railroad service until 1980, when the owner retired. The back of the case is just nearly covered in jeweler’s marks by a railroad certified watch maker.

There won’t be anymore railroad grade American watches.

Time moved on.

When the smoke and the cinders were visible at every railroad crossing the railroad chronometer was the main instrument of a railroad engineer.

I even own an 1892 Waltham 1883 like the one Casey Jones rode to glory using at Vaughn Mississippi.


More information on railroad watches.

 
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ssjones

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Here's my wife's grandfathers pocket watch, the database says it was made in 1948.
It still runs, despite no service for 40 or so years.
His brother, was the clock regulator for the Western Maryland Railroad in the 1950's to the late 1970's, he would have serviced the movement (her grandfather was a railroad bridge inspector)

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And my grandfathers Waltham, the database said it was made in 1867.

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mawnansmiff

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I own a 1923 Illinois Bunn Special.
That is one watch that I lust after but have yet to acquire.

I have an Illinois Watch Co. grade 65 (Army & Navy) made for the 'Washington Watch Co.' Size 18s, 21 jewels in gold settings from 1917 which I believe utilises the same movement as the Bunn Special.

A pic is on this thread... Things of Beauty: Antique American Pocket Watches. :: General Discussion - https://pipesmagazine.com/forums/threads/things-of-beauty-antique-american-pocket-watches.92724/

Jay.
 

Briar Lee

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Lookie here

A 6497 clone movement with geniune GMT and day night complications, $67.


After the war a 992 B cost almost a hundred bucks, then.


True, there’s no comparison for cool factor between any Unitas 6496/7 watch and the real coin Hamilton railroad watch, but I own three or four of the Unitas clones and they work for decades, to plus or minus a half minute a week.

They’ll scratch the pocket watch itch while you cruise pawn shops to buy real ones but remember, 99% of the watch makers sing with the angels.:)
 

ssjones

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Lookie here

A 6497 clone movement with geniune GMT and day night complications, $67.


After the war a 992 B cost almost a hundred bucks, then.


True, there’s no comparison for cool factor between any Unitas 6496/7 watch and the real coin Hamilton railroad watch, but I own three or four of the Unitas clones and they work for decades, to plus or minus a half minute a week.

They’ll scratch the pocket watch itch while you cruise pawn shops to buy real ones but remember, 99% of the watch makers sing with the angels.:)
I"m very fortunate to have "Maryland Watch Works" here in my small town. They do assembly for many micro-brands and do repairs of all kinds (Authorized Swatch group repair center, Omega, Longines, etc.)

 

JOHN72

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I love the classic style in some of them. I bought this one in 2010 I think I remember. I was recently looking at the new collections in a mall. They are beautiful and very elegant. I had an original leather strap, but it degraded over the years, and I bought something more durable and affordable, with this stainless steel strap.IMG_4745[12936].jpgIMG_4744[12935].jpg
 

renfield

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Here's my wife's grandfathers pocket watch, the database says it was made in 1948.
It still runs, despite no service for 40 or so years.
His brother, was the clock regulator for the Western Maryland Railroad in the 1950's to the late 1970's, he would have serviced the movement (her grandfather was a railroad bridge inspector)

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And my grandfathers Waltham, the database said it was made in 1867.

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Beautiful images!
 
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