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Lifer
Feb 26, 2015
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I've always felt that Vietnam vets are not part of the general boomer culture, just by life experience. A lot of them ended up critical of the war, but they simply weren't a part of the huge economic boom caused by the war, nor so much the culture of protest that ended it.

I'd known one of my late wife's friends for ten or fifteen years when I off handedly mentioned that I was a Vietnam veteran, and she scrunched up her face and said, "Oh, yuck," though I think she actually meant it in a sympathetic way. I talked about it so little, people always seem surprised and maybe even disbelieving when I mention it. I don't exactly have a military baring.
Some of the most anti-war people I have met over my lifetime have been those who have actually served in a war zone.

Many of those who protest war and are those who have never served in the military don't truly understand the what and why they are protesting in my opinion.
 

Andre_T

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When I seperated the Navy was trying to thin out the middle heavy overmanned rates. They came up with a program called Preform To Serve (PTS). When you were up for reenlistment you were entered in a lotery, if your number was picked you got to reenlist in your rate. If it was not picked you were given a list of options to reenlist in a new rate with your time in rate carrying over.

I was an Engineman (EN) billeted as the HT (welding) shop LPO at an amphibious construction battalion (Sea Bees). My number was not picked, I was offered PC (postal clerk) or MS (cook). I called my detailer to see If there was any way to get an assignment a little closer to my skillset. We laughed and laughed and laughed, I separated.

Several months later I got call from a Navy recruiter, he said that he was calling recently seperated E5 & E6's on behalf of the navy offering a huge re-sign bonus and saying that Navy realized it had fucked up with PTS and gotten rid of everyone who knew how to do anything. Some admiral had to go before congress and explain why readiness had ceased. I asked the recruiter if he could match my current civilian pay and make me E7 board eligible, I then laughed at him the same way the detailer had laughed at me.

As I understand it almost nobody who was PTS'ed out accepted the re-sign and most told the Navy to kick rocks. Some bean counter somewhere had made a big boo boo and the Navy was fairly crippled for about 5 years.
I take umbrage at the disparagement of my rate sir! PCs We deliver!
 
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When they were running us through the personnel process in boot camp, I'd been guaranteed an "A" school because of my test scores with the recruiter. In determining whether I'd get a more or less choice assignment, the woman personnel "WAVE" made her first question, "Have you fathered any babies out of wedlock?" Huh? Say again?

Mystified, I just said no, and proceeded with the interview. From my bewildered expression, I think she believed me. I guess she was into some kind of retribution. I think today she would be in trouble for asking inappropriate questions. In boot camp, I felt we were subjected to all kinds of odd stories and peculiar advice. Recruits are vulnerable and I think that draws out oddities in the personalities of people directing them.

At boot graduation, my company commander (like drill instructor) was completely mystified when my fellow recruits presented me with a harmonica from the post exchange engraved with my nickname, "To the Hawk." He had no idea that I'd been playing them tunes on my small harmonica after taps strolling around the barracks bay to put them to sleep. Guitars got confiscated, but my harmonica stayed in my shaving kit.

I was the appointed "education officer," and tutored them for the final exam from the Blue Jacket's Manual, so I had my own program going. I skipped the first liberty call to stay in the barracks and tutor the guys, since the liberty call went out in shifts. Without doing any harm, I sort of had my own mind game going, and that gave me a bit of agency.
 
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Boot camp was easy for me, I was in better condion than most, being on the farm baleing hay and other chores. The only incident was our Chief appointed a big guy from Maryland to be our head man. He took a dislike to a young Mormon and was making his life hell, finally I had enough. Early in the morning I snaked to his cot, woke him and told him don’t fuck with the z Mormon boy no more, or you aint gonna wake up one morning. After that it was good,
 
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I take umbrage at the disparagement of my rate sir! PCs We deliver!
No disparagement, just didn't want to be one. Wasn't really my skillset then any more than it is now. As an E6 PC, would have wanted to be dumped into a Sea Bee welding shop? I would have been sent out to the fleet as an E6 with no Surface Warfare pin, it would have been career suicide. SCWS & EWS wont get you very far in the fleet.
 

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I’ll never forget this one DSgt we had at basic who, for some reason I’ll never understand, seemed to take a liking to me. Maybe it was because I was a few years older than the rest of the people in my platoon, maybe it was because I could shoot, or maybe it was because I just shut up and did what I was told.

At any rate, he would always make sure I had an MRE with candy in it. Most of the time it was Skittles, but occasionally there were (I believe) peanut M&M’s? These same 4 people in my platoon would fight over who could buy them from me for $20. Every. Single. Day.

They had it set up to where we’d either have fire guard or CQ every night we were there. We’d usually have one of the shifts every other night and since there were two types of shifts, it magically happened to where you had one of the two hour shifts every night. Great.

Except these same four candy fiends, and I’ll never understand it, in order to “make money” and apparently support their candy habit, would take my shifts for $20/ea. If you’re following along, I never did either of the shifts when I didn’t want to just because I was getting MRE’s with candy. I’d usually pull one or the other if it was the first shift so I could stay up and write letters home, but ended up leaving basic with like $1,000 in folded twenties from selling MRE candy.

We did have this one CQ shift, the first one of the night, however, where the DSgt on duty was pretty cool with us. Again, I’m not sure why, but 15 years later I can assume it’s that we (my buddy Rose and I) were a little older, not loud mouths, respected them, and did what we were told. That was perfect, because what happened to my buddy Rose that night wouldn’t have worked otherwise. We knew they liked us, we just didn’t know how much.

Since it was the first shift of the night, this DSgt had ordered a pizza and was watching tv. We were to be cleaning the company area and some other BS. Rose pipes up and asks if he can have some of the pizza. I thought this was taking it a step too far because he only had us clean for like 20 minutes and then let us pile up on the couch and watch tv. Anyways, DSgt says if you can do 1,000 push ups during this two hour shift, I’ll give you a piece of pizza.

Rose takes off. I’m thinking after the shit they’ve been feeding us, if I ate some of that Papa John’s, I’d be in the latrine for the next week, so I politely bow out and encourage Rose. He managed to get the push ups done with about 15 minutes left in the shift, goes to parade rest right in front of the desk, and asks for his piece of pizza.

The DSgt gets up and goes 100% DSgt on him, turned it up to 11, and berated him for asking for some of his pizza. Smoked him until he couldn’t get up. I got smoked for laughing. It was hilarious. The DSgt was laughing. It was incredible. That’s where I got the saying “pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.”

But - the last week after we turned all of our shit back in and had graduated but hadn’t had the ceremony, yet, Rose and I got called down to the company and that same DSgt had ordered a pizza for us.
 
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Boot camp was easy for me, I was in better condion than most, being on the farm baleing hay and other chores. The only incident was our Chief appointed a big guy from Maryland to be our head man. He took a dislike to a young Mormon and was making his life hell, finally I had enough. Early in the morning I snaked to his cot, woke him and told him don’t fuck with the z Mormon boy no more, or you aint gonna wake up one morning. After that it was good,
Boot camp was easy for me also. I either played football, basketball and ran track each year during high school. My last two years, our conditioning coach was a retired Marine DI and he believed there was nothing better to get us in physical condition than the physical drills he used in the Marines. We had some big guys on the team, but we didn't have any fat guys.

In the early 70s, Coast Guard boot camp was considered the second hardest basic training behind the Marines. We had to run every where except church on Sunday. There was this one junior company commander that thought his job was to be an asshole to every recruit assigned as a runner. I had the runner watch one morning when he yelled at me to go get him a cup of coffee in the duty berthing area and to not turn on the light. I did as I was told, put the three spoons of sugar in his coffee. He accused me of putting salt in his coffee and was punishing me when my Company Commander showed up. He asked what I had done and then asked for my excuse. I told him I did what I was told.

He went back and got the sugar bowl, tasted it and then told me I was off punishment detail. Apparently someone had dumped the sugar out of the bowl and replaced it with salt. They never found out who did it.
 
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Boot camp was easy for me also. I either played football, basketball and ran track each year during high school. My last two years, our conditioning coach was a retired Marine DI and he believed there was nothing better to get us in physical condition than the physical drills he used in the Marines. We had some big guys on the team, but we didn't have any fat guys.

In the early 70s, Coast Guard boot camp was considered the second hardest basic training behind the Marines. We had to run every where except church on Sunday. There was this one junior company commander that thought his job was to be an asshole to every recruit assigned as a runner. I had the runner watch one morning when he yelled at me to go get him a cup of coffee in the duty berthing area and to not turn on the light. I did as I was told, put the three spoons of sugar in his coffee. He accused me of putting salt in his coffee and was punishing me when my Company Commander showed up. He asked what I had done and then asked for my excuse. I told him I did what I was told.

He went back and got the sugar bowl, tasted it and then told me I was off punishment detail. Apparently someone had dumped the sugar out of the bowl and replaced it with salt. They never found out who did it.
Where did you do boot camp?
 

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Lifer
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Where did you do boot camp?
Alameda. Jan. 1972
USCGC Staten Island (WAGB-278) March '72 - July 74
Lorsta Pt. Grenville, Wa. July 74 - April 75
13th District Public Affairs April 75 - Dec. 77
8th District Boating Safety then Public Affairs Jan. 78 - Feb. 81.
Base Gloucester City, NJ Feb. 81 - June 82.
7th District Public Affairs - June 82 - Dec. 85
Atlantic Area Public affairs (Governors Island) Dec. 85 - July 89
8th District Public Affairs Aug. 89 till retirement Sept. 93.
 
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No disparagement, just didn't want to be one. Wasn't really my skillset then any more than it is now. As an E6 PC, would have wanted to be dumped into a Sea Bee welding shop? I would have been sent out to the fleet as an E6 with no Surface Warfare pin, it would have been career suicide. SCWS & EWS wont get you very far in the fleet.
Just messing with ya.
 
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Boot camp was easy for me also. I either played football, basketball and ran track each year during high school. My last two years, our conditioning coach was a retired Marine DI and he believed there was nothing better to get us in physical condition than the physical drills he used in the Marines. We had some big guys on the team, but we didn't have any fat guys.

In the early 70s, Coast Guard boot camp was considered the second hardest basic training behind the Marines. We had to run every where except church on Sunday. There was this one junior company commander that thought his job was to be an asshole to every recruit assigned as a runner. I had the runner watch one morning when he yelled at me to go get him a cup of coffee in the duty berthing area and to not turn on the light. I did as I was told, put the three spoons of sugar in his coffee. He accused me of putting salt in his coffee and was punishing me when my Company Commander showed up. He asked what I had done and then asked for my excuse. I told him I did what I was told.

He went back and got the sugar bowl, tasted it and then told me I was off punishment detail. Apparently someone had dumped the sugar out of the bowl and replaced it with salt. They never found out who did it.
Where did you do boot camp?
Alameda. Jan. 1972
USCGC Staten Island (WAGB-278) March '72 - July 74
Lorsta Pt. Grenville, Wa. July 74 - April 75
13th District Public Affairs April 75 - Dec. 77
8th District Boating Safety then Public Affairs Jan. 78 - Feb. 81.
Base Gloucester City, NJ Feb. 81 - June 82.
7th District Public Affairs - June 82 - Dec. 85
Atlantic Area Public affairs (Governors Island) Dec. 85 - July 89
8th District Public Affairs Aug. 89 till retirement Sept. 93.
Interesting how they sent you from the West coast to the East.
I did boot camp at Cape May, NJ.
USCGC Cook Inlet WHEC 384 in Portland, Maine
Schools at Governors Island
USCGC Klamath WHEC 66 in Seattle
TAD stints at Cape Blanco LORSTA and Westport radio
Altogether from 1969 to 1973.

When I got out of ET and TT schools, I filled out a dream sheet asking for something in Districts 1 or 3. Of course they sent me to District 13.
 

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Lifer
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Where did you do boot camp?

Interesting how they sent you from the West coast to the East.
I did boot camp at Cape May, NJ.
USCGC Cook Inlet WHEC 384 in Portland, Maine
Schools at Governors Island
USCGC Klamath WHEC 66 in Seattle
TAD stints at Cape Blanco LORSTA and Westport radio
Altogether from 1969 to 1973.

When I got out of ET and TT schools, I filled out a dream sheet asking for something in Districts 1 or 3. Of course they sent me to District 13.
I'm originally from SE Texas and was hoping to get assigned to one of the Coast Guard units close to home. When they gave told us where we were being sent there were none available in Texas or Louisiana so I selected the ice breaker.

One more funny story (at least it is funny now). I think my recruit company only had around 45 men in it and as we were going through all the shots, physicals, etc., we learned that there were around 10 who enlisted to avoid the draft and not get sent to Viet Nam. Someone must have heard these guys talking and reported it to the company commander we were getting. One of the first thing he said when introducing himself was, "This company has been preselected for assignments in the 14th District anyone not qualifying for a school will be assigned to units in Squadron One or Squadron Three operating in Viet Nam." The guys who joined to avoid Viet Nam all qualified for schools.

The kicker was when the Chief unveiled the assignment board, he told us there had been a change in plan and no boots were being sent overseas.
 
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