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tobaccojoe

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 30, 2016
220
0
USA
Mail came today...still no sign of the precious SG FVF. It's looking bleak. Did the homeless man that sleeps outside of my workplace help himself to a Saturday delivery of premium aged tobacco...and if he did; what happened to it!? Here's hoping it comes in the mail tomorrow! :)

 

tinsel

Part of the Furniture Now
Oct 23, 2015
531
7
I had a small bowl of both the new and aged samples last night. The differences are pretty stark.
I'm going to have another bowl of each in the next couple days and report back with my tasting notes.
Thanks again, Ash!

 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
26,262
30,396
Carmel Valley, CA
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The pipes used for the samples
Smooooooth! That's the key word for me in the aged sample. I am smoking the last bowl as I type. Will lay down some tins when I get back from my cruise. The grass note is there as I pack the bowl, with pretty much a fold and stuff method. This works well when the tobacco is dried down to ca. 65%.
The fresh sample was good, just not nearly as subtle as the aged. Less smooth, though hardly "rough". Grass notes more pronounced, a hint of a start of a bite, but no bite to come.
Thanks again, ashdigger. It was a treat to join this collaborative effort and experience well thought out sampling.

 

carver

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 29, 2015
625
4
Belgium
Still on the way, and I believe it'll be like this for a couple more weeks.

When everything goes this fast with internet, it's getting hard to accept that, in the real life, things are really slower.

On the other hand, it's good. It brings anticipation and excitement !!
It's also quite nice to read the other reviews !!

Can't wait :wink:
Did an overnight moisture test, and the fresh sample was at 85% RH, the aged at 83% at 70º. So both at perfect moisture for jarring and aging. Well done, ashdigger!

Now drying down to 65% for smoking.

@jpm : how do you do that ? 8O

 

willc

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jun 7, 2014
117
0
I got my samples in today and got to smoke a bowl of each.

Both were smoked in similar MM cobs and the aged stuff is way smoother.

The newer FVF had a harshness to it and a muddier taste, had I smoked this on its own I'm sure I would of enjoyed it but in comparison the aged FVF is sublime.
Now this is only after a bowl a piece so I have enough for a couple more of each and I doubt my impressions will change much.

I'm no expert on Virginias and it has been 2 years since I smoked FVF but if I had been given these to smoke in a blind test I would of guessed they were two different blends.

The difference was that much to me.
I'll check back in if I have anything else to add when I finish these up.
A super big thanks to ashdigger for putting this thing together!!!

Right before he made the thread offering the FVF up he pm'ed me and gifted me a super cool Kaywoodie Meer just cause I commented on liking another KW in someone else's thread.

That is some serious generosity there.

 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
21,652
53,104
Southern Oregon
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First off, thanks Tim, for your generosity in providing this taste comparison test. You're the best!
For this test I used matching cobs, one for the fresh FVF and the other for the aged FVF. I've found that I get the most flavor from this blend when I let it dry for a substantial length of time. I'm looking for the flake to be dry to the touch when lightly squeezed, but not crispy dry. For today's comparison test, drying lasted for almost 2 hours. The aged flake did dry out more than the fresh, and I don't know if that was because it had sat in the box and given up some moisture, or that it released its moisture more rapidly. In any event, it wasn't bone dry, just a bit drier than the fresh. I rubbed out the flake and packed medium.
This is also a blend that I smoke very slowly, little wisps of smoke. I'm looking to keep this blend just barely simmering to get the most flavor out of it. This meant a couple of relights along the way. Each cob lasted well over an hour.
The fresh FVF was a bit more work to get going, while the aged took to the flame with alacrity. Both burned well.
FVF doesn't strike me as a powerhouse by any means. It's a subtle blend that relies solely on the Virginias, rather than toppings or other leaf to give it more character. It's pretty simple, but well balanced. While there was a notable difference in the flavor between fresh and aged, I didn't find them worlds apart.
The flavor of the aged leaf was a little more pronounced, with less grass and more earthiness and a more brown sugar sweetness than the fresh. Neither flake was particularly sweet, just a sensation when sipping in. I experienced a little bit citrus and spice on the snork.
The major difference between the fresh and the aged was that the aged was smoother. I experienced a little bit of sting and harshness with the fresh that was absent in the aged sample. The aged leaf was smooth as silk.
I still have half the sample left and will repeat the comparison tomorrow, swapping the cobs.
FVF is a good blend fresh, but it smooths out with a few years of age.

 

csharp

Starting to Get Obsessed
Dec 28, 2015
115
11
UPDATE-Have smoked first part of the new sample and have those on paper now. Preparing the old flake now.

 

tinsel

Part of the Furniture Now
Oct 23, 2015
531
7
OK I'm terrible at reviewing tobaccos and at picking up subtleties and nuances in tastes, but having smoked 2 bowls of each of the samples sent to me, plus a bowl of the FVF I've had jarred for about a year, here's my thoughts:
New FVF- Tin note is mostly hay with something mildly sweet in the background, I want to call it molasses. First 1/3 of the bowl is quite sharp, it tingles the nose on the retrohale. Little bits of sweetness (or maybe citrus) poke through an otherwise very basic virginia taste profile. Some grassy notes but mostly earthy. Middle of the bowl down to the end the tobacco smooths out a bit but the tastes remain basically the same. Not overly complex.
1 year old FVF- Tin note has mellowed out a lot. Most of the hay scent is gone and the sweetness is starting to come through a little more. Smells like Molasses and also some notes that I would say smell like unbrewed tea leaves (iced tea). First 1/3 of the bowl, it's obvious that the sharp edges have come off this tobacco. The retrohale is smooth. Darker taste than the new tobacco, earthier. Grassy notes are more subdued, harder to detect. Sweetness comes through a little bit more. The flavors are still distinct but have started to meld together a little bit. Middle of the bowl through to the end, the grassy notes are gone. Flavors are smooth and a little sweet. Very pleasant smoke.
6 year old FVF- Tin note has changed entirely. Smeels like dark chocolate, very dark chocolate. Incredibly sweet scent. First 1/3 of the bowl, all sharpness is gone, smoke is completely smooth. Retrohale is silky smooth, no tingle at all. Flavors are no longer distinct at all, they have melded together into a single, very complex taste. No grassy notes at all. It's sweet, earthy, and a touch of spice (mostly noticed on retrohale). Flavors are dark and thick. Middle of the bowl to the end, the flavors are really potent. Still predominantly sweet and earty, but on a few of the retrohales I detected some unexpected things. Hints of spice, cinnamon, pumpkin spice, perhaps nutmeg? These flavors were subtle and fleeting. One one retrohale about 3/4 of the way through a bowl I something popped up that my mind distinctly thought of as "butterscotch", but as soon as the thought arrived in my mind, the flavor was already gone and never reappeared. Stayed smooth to the end.
Thanks again for letting me participate in this group tasting. I thoroughly enjoyed it!

 

ashdigger

Lifer
Jul 30, 2016
11,391
70,258
61
Vegas Baby!!!
Pretty good reviews. I totally dig seeing the differences of taste and what subtleties everyone is picking up.
We'll done volunteers!!

 

csharp

Starting to Get Obsessed
Dec 28, 2015
115
11
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FVF NEW vs FVF AGED
FVF NEW- A flake of rich brown with light streaks.
Bag note- recognizable Virginia certainly hay like. Fresh and organic but not green or immature.
Because this was a taste test I approached this tobacco a little differently then I might normally have. If someone had said just try this I would have grabbed any old briar, rubbed it out and smoked it. Instead I cube cut the tobacco and let dry for several hours. I also smoked it in a small clay for its neutral character.
It took a couple of lights to get this blend going but it was worth it. At first this blend was instantly recognizable as a straight Virginia. It had that recognizable taste that we call hay or straw but that somehow does not do justice to that signature flavor.
Here is where it gets interesting for me, can something be sweet and savory? After I taste the signature Virginia flavor I get a secondary flavor of the subtle non-cloying natural sweetness-Then I am hit with an assertive full mouthing filling richness that makes my mouth water. I also noticed a slight mineral-earthiness I do not think I would detect in a briar.
Recognizing that those were the range of flavors I was going to get, I kicked back and developed a smoking cadence that made this a wholly enjoyable smoke.
At this point I should say I was at first uncertain the clay would work because of the small air hole but my fears were unfounded. I also tried to approach it gingerly because Virginia has a reputation for biting. I did not get any bite. I did not try to push it. Sipping, teasing and slow smoking is certainly how I got the most out of it.
I did not find this monochromatic because that would suggest this is a dull blend, it is not. I would described it as a taut tobacco.

Room note was light and pleasant when I went back to sniff my room.
FVF AGED- Dark with the light streaks replaced with plume.
Bag note of silage.
Prepared the same way. Took to flame easier then the new sample.
The Virginia taste and the sweet component were now merged into one flavor.
The full mouth feel and salivation was replaced with a tingle on the palette.
The blend was still did not bite. What I did get was the sense that the component that people would say bites helped give this matured tobacco some structure. Earthy mineral taste is still present. The mature sample may present a little more sour. This was enjoyable in a different way then the new.
Room note was still pleasant.
Take away-I can see why the blend is released when it is and why it has it fans who smoke it young. It certainly has allot going for it. The only thing I am second guessing myself on is that the mouthwatering feeling in the new blend may be that fruit component more then sour. I find it hard to imagine this is a bad smoke at any age. My smoking personality lends me to favor old tobacco even to the point where others would say a blend as gone off. So on this first go around the fresh FVF is like a Beaujolais nouveau while old sample more like a Fino.
Thanks so much ashdigger.

 

iamn8

Lifer
Sep 8, 2014
4,248
16
Moody, AL
When it comes to the ultra premium Virginian leaf, it's perhaps cliche to phrase it as such, but it truly does age like a fine Bordeaux. It becomes less sharp, more mellow, and the characteristics which I like fresh become more so with age. What's the oldest Virginia anyone here has smoked? For how long do things improve? This tobacco makes me wish I'd begun smoking FAR sooner in which case I'd have boxes and boxes of full Virginia Flake.
Thanks so much for the opportunity!!

 

ashdigger

Lifer
Jul 30, 2016
11,391
70,258
61
Vegas Baby!!!
Nate, the oldest Virginia I've smoked was some Capstan Blue from the 1920'same.
It was very mellow. It deteriorated astonishingly fast.

 

iamn8

Lifer
Sep 8, 2014
4,248
16
Moody, AL
Ash, yeah I imagine it would turn to dust at that point as wine turns also. Any idea what the max age benefit is to be expected?

 
Sep 18, 2015
3,253
42,062
First off thank you Ashdigger for allowing me to be a part of this.

I've had some issues with this tobacco most likely due to inexperience and possibly impatience. It has been very frustrating and sometimes painful, I have tried a cob and several different briars as well as different drying times, I just can't seem to get it to burn and I think the bite is from constantly relighting.

The best bowl yet has been the aged sample that I forgot about and left on the drying board for about 5 hours, only a few relights but still got bit.

Prep, crosscut into roughly 1/4" strips let dry about 30 mins and rub into corse chunks.

Fresh,

After the charing light I can pick up some sweet notes Carmel maybe, this quickly changes to a light spice with some pepper.

Aged,

The sweet is more like a molasses or the after taste of a good craft root beer, the spice is more pronounced and the pepper is almost not noticeable.

I have about one bowl of each left, I think I will letit sit out and dry for a day or so and see what happens, I could see myself liking this if I can figure out how to smoke it without melting my tongue.

 

samcoffeeman

Can't Leave
Apr 6, 2015
440
5
I'm a little slower than most here as I don't smoke much. I smoked my second bowl of the fresh and was better than the first but not by much. I haven't smoked FVF in some time, waiting for mine to age and sampling new blends. I forgot how difficult it is to get the prep and moisture right, making me feel like a rookie again lol. Definitely got the grassy hay in this bowl but not really all that intriguing to me. I better smoke some of the aged soon!

 

samcoffeeman

Can't Leave
Apr 6, 2015
440
5
I got into the aged FVF last night. I packed it in an old Larsen freehand which has a huge bowl, damn thing fit a whole 6 inch flake in it. I chose this pipe because it smokes great and I've had good experiences with FVF in it before. This was much better than the fresh. I smoked that pipe for an hour and a half, just delicious earthy virginia, a little spicy, perhaps a faint licorice sweetness on occasion, but i didn't find it was as sweet as others have mentioned. It definitely was smoother and had better burn characteristics. I did relight a few times but this is a deep bowl and I was smoking it slowly. In the pic below, the pipe I smoked it in is on the left:
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Dec 28, 2015
2,337
1,003
I kept out a bowls worth of the aged flake during the initial tasting review exercise to enjoy later. This morning I loaded it in my Castello and enjoyed it with my Saturday morning coffee and the Beatles - Let it Be (album). This time I wasn't having to focus on specifics for a review. I was just able to relax and enjoy. What a wonderful smoke. I can't wait till I can get some age on the tins of FVF that I have cellared. Thanks again to ash for sharing with us all.

 
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