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TheFall

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Mar 20, 2020
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I have a question regarding flakes and packing

So I am pretty new to smoking pipes but I always liked flakes better than other tobacco cuts, I always seemed to have an easier time with flakes for whatever reason. Not a perfect time, but a better time. So I have a question regarding packing flakes. First some background.

Yesterday It was a beautiful day outside, with minimal wind, so I figured it would be a great time to read some Sherlock Holmes and smoke my pipe. Years ago when I first became interested in pipe smoking I bought a tin of Solani Aged Burley Flake (this tin is older than 7 years old but not older than 10 years) and I squirreled it away for the future. Since my first 4 noggins order has not arrived yet, I figured it was time to break the seal.

I took 1.5 flakes out of the tin and dried them for probably an hour on the counter followed by 10 minutes on the window sill until I was happy with the moisture. Using the fold and stuff method I folded the half flake inside the full flake and then folded in half and checked to see how close I was to fitting in my Jeantet Superior 70-8. It would fit, if I used a small amount of force, but I thought that it was a little too tight so I removed 1/4 of the half flake, folded, rubbed the pug between my hands gently to break it up a little bit, slipped it into the pipe, gave it a twist, checked the draw (felt like the pipe does when empty), crumbled the bits that fell onto some paper I was working on, over the top and did my char light. Then I did my true light and off I went, the draw was still very open, maybe slightly tighter than an empty pipe.

Now I wouldn't say I was unhappy with the results, I really enjoyed myself for the better part of 2 hours, but I know there is room for improvement. The first 1/4 went pretty well after I got it going, but after that I started to struggle a bit, It didn't seem to want to stay lit, the smoke was very thin with very little flavor, and I kept having to put my thumb over the bowl and puff 2 or 3 times to stoke the flake, obviously this lead to a hot smoke trying to keep it lit. It didn't smoke too wet, I did have to run a pipe cleaner once (I removed the stinger when I restored the pipe) but the dottle was pretty dry when I emptied the pipe. I also noticed that it stayed lit better if I set the tamper on top and slowly puffed.

So here is my question.

How much force is too much when packing flakes? Is there a similar test to the "how cooked is your steak test" that can be done using your hand (pinky to thumb =rare, index to thumb = Well done)? Or any example of pressure required to load the folded flake into the pipe? I think that I may have been a little on the light side of the pack and because I couldn't tamp the flake down like you would ribbon cut I struggled through the rest of the bowl. I am mostly wondering if I should stick with the 1.5 flake next time or If I was still packed too tightly. When I loaded it, if I set the flake plug (1 1/4 flake folded) in the bowl, I could have probably tapped the side of the bowl and it would have worked its way into place. Basically I am just wondering if I should add more or less tobacco for my next attempt, and if this is a dumb question, I will just try one and roll with it, but I figured it may be worth getting pointed in the right direction.

Thanks in advance!
 
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Chasing Embers

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Nov 12, 2014
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I have a question regarding flakes and packing

So I am pretty new to smoking pipes but I always liked flakes better than other tobacco cuts, I always seemed to have an easier time with flakes for whatever reason. Not a perfect time, but a better time. So I have a question regarding packing flakes. First some background.

Yesterday It was a beautiful day outside, with minimal wind, so I figured it would be a great time to read some Sherlock Holmes and smoke my pipe. Years ago when I first became interested in pipe smoking I bought a tin of Solani Aged Burley Flake (this tin is older than 7 years old but not older than 10 years) and I squirreled it away for the future. Since my first 4 noggins order has not arrived yet, I figured it was time to break the seal.

I took 1.5 flakes out of the tin and dried them for probably an hour on the counter followed by 10 minutes on the window sill until I was happy with the moisture. Using the fold and stuff method I folded the half flake inside the full flake and then folded in half and checked to see how close I was to fitting in my Jeantet Superior 70-8. It would fit, if I used a small amount of force, but I thought that it was a little too tight so I removed 1/4 of the half flake, folded, rubbed the pug between my hands gently to break it up a little bit, slipped it into the pipe, gave it a twist, checked the draw (felt like the pipe does when empty), crumbled the bits that fell onto some paper I was working on, over the top and did my char light. Then I did my true light and off I went, the draw was still very open, maybe slightly tighter than an empty pipe.

Now I wouldn't say I was unhappy with the results, I really enjoyed myself for the better part of 2 hours, but I know there is room for improvement. The first 1/4 went pretty well after I got it going, but after that I started to struggle a bit, It didn't seem to want to stay lit, the smoke was very thin with very little flavor, and I kept having to put my thumb over the bowl and puff 2 or 3 times to stoke the flake, obviously this lead to a hot smoke trying to keep it lit. It didn't smoke too wet, I did have to run a pipe cleaner once (I removed the stinger when I restored the pipe) but the dottle was pretty dry when I emptied the pipe. I also noticed that it stayed lit better if I set the tamper on top and slowly puffed.

So here is my question.

How much force is too much when packing flakes? Is there a similar test to the "how cooked is your steak test" that can be done using your hand (pinky to thumb =rare, index to thumb = Well done)? Or any example of pressure required to load the folded flake into the pipe? I think that I may have been a little on the light side of the pack and because I couldn't tamp the flake down like you would ribbon cut I struggled through the rest of the bowl. I am mostly wondering if I should stick with the 1.5 flake next time or If I was still packed too tightly. When I loaded it, if I set the flake plug (1 1/4 flake folded) in the bowl, I could have probably tapped the side of the bowl and it would have worked its way into place. Basically I am just wondering if I should add more or less tobacco for my next attempt, and if this is a dumb question, I will just try one and roll with it, but I figured it may be worth getting pointed in the right direction.

Thanks in advance!
 

anotherbob

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Mar 30, 2019
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Try using just one flake next time and see what happens. I think the issue has to do with the amount of tobacco you packed in the pipe, not the force by which you did. Keep in mind that flakes will want to expand once lit which might explain your experience as the expanding tobacco may have plugged up your bowl, choking off its air.
I second that. Pack it so it seems too loose.
 

Sonorisis

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Try 'screwing' the folded flake into the pipe. I agree that the initial draw must be very open as flakes expand quite a bit as they warm up and get wet. The goal is always to have the pack tighter at the top than it is at the bottom of the bowl -- difficult to accomplish because we load from the top.
 
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TheFall

Might Stick Around
Mar 20, 2020
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Alberta, Canada
Try 'screwing' the folded flake into the pipe. I agree that the initial draw must be very open as flakes expand quite a bit as they warm up and get wet. The goal is always to have the pack tighter at the top than it is at the bottom of the bowl -- difficult to accomplish because we load from the top.
So there should be enough flake there so that it doesn't just fall in if I understand this correctly? I definitely did not have a tighter pack at the top. Thanks for the tip!
 

mikefu

Lifer
Mar 28, 2018
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Did you find it burned a tunnel straight down? If so, it was too tight. I also make sure to tamp (I use an 8 Deco tamper with a concave base) by pulling the flakes in from the outside walls and in to the center ember. Once I figured that out- and also giving them way longer to dry than with a ribbon cut- I now have pretty good luck with flakes in a "stuff and fold" session. Some blends are just bears, like most flakes from G&H, and get rubbed or cube cut, but most are good this way. I also do the same with Edgeworth RR Match, as this little nuggets are a pain in the ass to keep lit unless you really dry them and tamp them in toward the center.
 
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