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Jan 28, 2018
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There is no cut and dried method for packing and smoking flake. Too many variables. There are different sizes of flakes in 3 dimensions, length, width and thickness. These variable sized flakes go into a variety of bowl sizes. Moisture content varies as does humidity. One size doesn't fit all.

So what is the answer if you prefer to smoke flake whole, as I do? Practice. Develop touch through experience. For the most part, I agree with Chasing Embers. Error on the side of too loose vs too tight. You can adjust by tamping as you smoke. Let it dry to where it begins to break when you fold it. If you let it dry too much, why bother with flake? It will crumble up, you may as well rub it out.

I fold my flake in half, length wise first, then width wise. I hold each end and twist 30 to 45 degrees while pushing each end inward slightly. Then I gently twist it in the bowl. Ideally, I push it in until a very small space is left at the bottom. If there's room for more, and there often is, I break off a piece from another flake, break it up a little and load on top of the other flake. Or, gather loose pieces in the tin and fill the bowl.

If you practice this, it won't take that long until you get the hang of it. If you pack too loose, tamp it down a bit after lighting and you get a bit of ash. If by chance you pack too tight, use the thin tool from your pipe tool and run it down the inside of the bowl right at the draft hole. Do some twisting to loosen the tobacco up. Relight, tamp again. It won't be long before the majority of your bowls will smoke rather effortlessly.

As CE stated, when right, the draw isn't much different than an empty pipe. Pack much tighter than this and you'll end up with a hot, wet and bitter mess. Show some patience and tenacity, you will be rewarded with the most satisfying way to smoke flake tobacco.
 

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@hoosierpipeguy Thanks for the tips! I have a couple different flakes in the mail, one of them being the same flake I first tried years ago. I remember not having much trouble with that flake, folding and stuffing, but I also remember that it was not anywhere as dense as this Solani ABF. Cube cut and gravity feed seems to be working well with this flake over the fold and stuff method. I will keep at it, seeing improvements already.
 
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As CE stated, when right, the draw isn't much different than an empty pipe. Pack much tighter than this and you'll end up with a hot, wet and bitter mess.

I agree, the draw is everything. I doesn't matter to me so much how a pipe gets packed--the Frank method or the shovel method, one is as good as the next for me. If it draws clean that's what matters most.
 

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@hoosierpipeguy Thanks for the tips! I have a couple different flakes in the mail, one of them being the same flake I first tried years ago. I remember not having much trouble with that flake, folding and stuffing, but I also remember that it was not anywhere as dense as this Solani ABF. Cube cut and gravity feed seems to be working well with this flake over the fold and stuff method. I will keep at it, seeing improvements already.

I'm just not a fan of cube cutting. I can easily have a flake packed and smoking before I'm half way done cutting it into cubes.
 
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If you are a griller of meats (like I am), you get used to being able to tell if meat is rare, medium or well done by touch.

Rare is loose to the touch (not firm) and easily presses in
Medium is firmer, but still presses easily with a finger
Well done gets firm

Same goes with my pipe. I never go well done.
 

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the thing with flakes is you should try different packing methods until it clicks. And some flakes are different then others. Some are better to me more broken and some less. I tend to go for partially rubbed out. If it's a ready rub I just stuff it.
 
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the thing with flakes is you should try different packing methods until it clicks. And some flakes are different then others. Some are better to me more broken and some less. I tend to go for partially rubbed out. If it's a ready rub I just stuff it.
I think that is my major take away from this, try different methods until one works for that pipe/flake combo. I just received my order of some new tobacco, 2 tins of flake, so I will try different methods with those as well. So far I think cube cute is working the best for this Solani ABF, it just needs quite a bit of drying time as there is a lot of moisture in these flakes.
 
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TheFall

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If you are a griller of meats (like I am), you get used to being able to tell if meat is rare, medium or well done by touch.

Rare is loose to the touch (not firm) and easily presses in
Medium is firmer, but still presses easily with a finger
Well done gets firm

Same goes with my pipe. I never go well done.
This is how I test my meet as well. So do you pack your pipe like a medium rare steak? medium well? lol

I did watch a video where the tutorial compared the compression force of each stage of the 3 stage method with a marshmallow. I thought it was a decent less arbitrary instruction as opposed to saying "pack loose" or pack light, firmer, and then firmest. Since loose and tight mean different things to different people, it is very helpful to have a measurement to compare to, even if it is poking a medium rare steak with a thumb or squishing a marshmallow between your fingers. There is a starting point instead of widely swinging between tighter and looser trying to figure it out. That being said, I am finding that as long as I pay attention to what I am doing and make small changes I am getting the hang of it decently quickly.
 
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TheFall

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I'm just not a fan of cube cutting. I can easily have a flake packed and smoking before I'm half way done cutting it into cubes.
I think once I have more experience I will revisit this Solani flake with fold and stuff, but right now despite the extra prep, cube cut seems to be just fine.

I will have to crack my new tin of Mac Barren Navy Flake and see if folding and stuffing still works like it did for me years ago!
 

BROBS

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Are you that adverse to rubbing out the flake?

it preps in 30 seconds to a minute and dries much faster rubbed out.
 

TheFall

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Are you that adverse to rubbing out the flake?

it preps in 30 seconds to a minute and dries much faster rubbed out.
Nope, I just haven't had another pipe since experimenting with cube cut. Cube cut worked well 2 times so far, am going to try rubbing it out next. Just working backwards if you will.
 
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And also the flake when not rubbed out holds a ton of moisture inside. So I doubt you dried it enough if you really wanted to stuff whole flake pieces.
I dry my flakes over the course of a week or so. Air for a few hours, jar. Next day, air out, re-jar. This allows the moisture in the center to migrate to the edge.

Trying to dry real quickly lets the edges get too dry, while the center is too wet.

OTOH, rubbing out and drying makes a lot of sense.
 
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I dry my flakes over the course of a week or so. Air for a few hours, jar. Next day, air out, re-jar. This allows the moisture in the center to migrate to the edge.

Trying to dry real quickly lets the edges get too dry, while the center is too wet.

OTOH, rubbing out and drying makes a lot of sense.
right.. rubbing it out defeats this problem. ?

unless a flake is dry to the point of breaking it's got a shitload of moisture in it.