Fixing Tobacco, casing and topping killing

[The_Non_Compliant_One]

The pH balance has been altered up and down, by the use of sugar and vinegar normally in the casing for the plain tobacco leafs.

I am curious as since the casings and toppings are supposed to be alcohol based sauces, would a bath in high grade alchol do anything to REMOVE the casing or topping from a blend?

I have read about people soaking tobacco for hours on end in hot water to remove nicotine from it. But never anything about the topping.

Also, in the old days of McClelland, they soaked the tobacco in vinegar and then packaged it. Was said to be a preservative. But im wondering if it was done as a final sort of pH balance control.

 

[Waning Embers]

Also, in the old days of McClelland, they soaked the tobacco in vinegar and then packaged it.

Source?

I've never read or had Mike say anything about it. Curing some Virginias produces a vinegar like scent.

 

[The_Non_Compliant_One]

Source?

I've never read or had Mike say anything about it. Curing some Virginias produces a vinegar like scent.

In all of the small bit of make you own tobacco recipies i have come across, they are using a basic solution of water, sugar in equal WEIGHT by grams.. and a table spoon or two of vinegar to control the ph level in the leaf to help the smoker out.

Now, we KNOW McClelland used lots of vinegar in packaging step. It had been speculated on here, if the purpose was truly as an "anti fungal" as McClallend claimed, or if it was as means to control the final blends ph level

 

[Peter Turbo]

Now, we KNOW McClelland used lots of vinegar in packaging step.

How do you know? Were you there? It was my understanding that the vinegar smell was a byproduct of how they fermented their Virginias and nothing to do with added vinegar. I've never heard of them adding it to the product either on here or anywhere else.

More bullshit from this guy. Its like every post you make is full of nonsense.

 

[Waning Embers]

Now, we KNOW McClelland used lots of vinegar in packaging step.

They really didn't, many of us here knew the McNiels personally. A byproduct of red Virginias fermenting as they age is a ketchup/vinegar scent. You're mistaking the vinegar topping that Sutliff used to try to replicate it.

 

[The Benedictine]

How do you know? Were you there? It was my understanding that the vinegar smell was a byproduct of how they fermented their Virginias and nothing to do with added vinegar. I've never heard of them adding it to the product either on here or anywhere else.

More bullshit from this guy. Its like every post you make is full of nonsense.

 

[Sig]

Ive known Mike and Mary for decades. Had many long talks about tobacco processing. I dont know if a small amount of vinegar was ever used in the process of any of their blends, but I can unequivocally tell that none of their tobacco was "soaked in vinegar" before packaging.
I have personally processed Virginia tobacco from seed to pipe several times. The end product CAN have a very strong vinegar smell from certain fermenting and aging techniques.
Taken too far, you can get an ammonia smell too....and even a blue cheese aroma.
The vinegar smell comes from volatile compounds in the tobacco fermenting.
This is also why some blends that did NOT smell like vinegar will have a vinegar aroma after a few years of aging.
I recently popped a 17 year old tin of FVF that has a distinct vinegar smell. Reminded me of McClelland.

 

[Sig]

How do you know? Were you there? It was my understanding that the vinegar smell was a byproduct of how they fermented their Virginias and nothing to do with added vinegar. I've never heard of them adding it to the product either on here or anywhere else.

More bullshit from this guy. Its like every post you make is full of nonsense.

Well, he is non compliant.

 

[Dr. Van Loafer]

They really didn't, many of us here knew the McNiels personally. A byproduct of red Virginias fermenting as they age is a ketchup/vinegar scent. You're mistaking the vinegar topping that Sutliff used to try to replicate it.

And we all know that Sutliff used high quality small batch vinegar produced by Jeremy Reeves bees.

 

[The_Non_Compliant_One]

What a bunch of trolls..

There is a great article interview on smokingpipes with Reeves. It was about the mcclelland taste and aroma.

It boiled down to, reeves admitting it was something that mcclelland was doing themselves TO the tobacco. Reeves adn co had even purchased the same tobacco as mcclelland, from the same lots,

ie they each purchased half of the same same barrel of tobacco. And nothing Reeves adn co did could get that taste.

Also, a good number of older posts on HERE talk about this topic. fed of 2010 Igloo had a thread on it. fairtradetobacco.com has various threads abou tit.

 

[Alejo R.]

I think you said yesterday that Dunhill was boiling briar roots because of the (I quote) "great briar pipe anthrax scare." And then you cited as your source an article that talked about a problem with shaving brushes and anthrax transmission from animal hair. Now with this vinegar thing. It leads me to think that either you're an enlightened individual with unique and revealing information, or your sources are weird, or you're just trolling us.

 

[khiddy]

Now with this vinegar thing. It leads me to think that either you're an enlightened individual with unique and revealing information, or your sources are weird, or you're just trolling us.

As the meme asks, why not both?

 

[The Benedictine]

 

[The_Non_Compliant_One]

hey if you wanna be the idiot who spends 800$ on a dunhil pipe because they boild it in the shop, and air dry it in the shop, but DONT have an area in the shop for boiling OR drying of briar blocks...

be my guest.

But also, if you go prattle about how your 300$ a pound cheddar cheese you buy on etsy is the best because its "made from the milk of hand milked virgin unicorns" dont be surprised when us adults laugh at you. Proliferously.

 

[The Benedictine]

hey if you wanna be the idiot who spends 800$ on a dunhil pipe because they boild it in the shop, and air dry it in the shop, but DONT have an area in the shop for boiling OR drying of briar blocks...

be my guest.

But also, if you go prattle about how your 300$ a pound cheddar cheese you buy on etsy is the best because its "made from the milk of hand milked virgin unicorns" dont be surprised when us adults laugh at you. Proliferously.

You have 45 posts since sunday. Very little likes. Seems like you post a lot of bullshit to stir up trouble. Pretty sure you are a troll. Just as bad as the last one who posted using AI.

 

[Alejo R.]

hey if you wanna be the idiot who spends 800$ on a dunhil pipe because they boild it in the shop, and air dry it in the shop, but DONT have an area in the shop for boiling OR drying of briar blocks...

be my guest.

But also, if you go prattle about how your 300$ a pound cheddar cheese you buy on etsy is the best because its "made from the milk of hand milked virgin unicorns" dont be surprised when us adults laugh at you. Proliferously.

In fact, you've said you've never owned a Dunhill, so your ability to verify your statements is limited. I own Dunhills, not many, but quite a few. Some have cost me $5 and others $10. None have cost more than $100. So basically, self-proclaimed adults can laugh all they want. But I have the decency to speak with knowledge when I speak. When I don't know a pipe or a tobacco, I clarify and ask humbly.

 

[Peter Turbo]

What a bunch of trolls..

The only belligerent here is you, Mr. Know it all, who can't be wrong and lashes out at anyone calling out his bullshit. Please make yourself scarce around here.

 

[Waning Embers]

reeves admitting it was something that mcclelland was doing

Reeves isn't Mike and Mary. Even @cosmicfolklore produced some Virginias a few years back with a vinegar smell that wasn't topped.

 

[Waning Embers]

hey if you wanna be the idiot who spends 800$ on a dunhil pipe

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Congratulations @The_Non_Compliant_One you are officially on moderator radar. If we were to make a lesson for future members on how NOT to interact in a thread, we could use this one.

First off, your OP is better suited for a professional blender, so what did you expect from this forum?
Second, you throw out bits and pieces from things other professionals have speculated on. Mike and Mary are still around and still talk to some of us.

The rest, just wow.

My first moderating job coming back is this mess.

Case closed.