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throbinson

Starting to Get Obsessed
Nov 19, 2014
233
9
Zurich, ON (Canada)
he has been told in many different ways the answer to his question but there seems to be a comprehension problem because he has no experience at all
Kind of... my initial problem in the thread was having a lot of responses saying a pricier pipe is better, but no real info as to why. Then it was a bit of problem with the sort of back/forth of some people saying $100 pipe can be done, and some people saying if not spending more than $200-$300 on a pipe you 'won't enjoy it'...and again, nothing to reinforce the claim. :D
I have no doubt you get what you pay for... but like I said, there's gotta be a bell curve of price vs quality which is what I was trying to figure out. Which, sounds like $80-100 may be the target.
I think, from what I've heard/read, the Stanwell I'm after won't be a bad pipe. Elusive... but, lands in that price range and a known company. Being Canadian is not making it easy. An $80 pipe, if I have to pay shipping, possibly duty, and the cost of one of those parcel forwarding services, then it's not a good deal. I contacted a couple of tobacconists so, hopefully they can get it in.

 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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he has been told in many different ways the answer to his question but there seems to be a comprehension problem because he has no experience at all

Kind of... my initial problem in the thread was having a lot of responses saying a pricier pipe is better, but no real info as to why.
So allow me to muddy the waters a little bit. With pipes there are no absolutes. One is always playing percentages. We buy a pipe with the hope that its maker produces a product of predictable quality. But briar being an organic material, there is always some variation.
As far as looking for a basic smoking implement, you can find excellent options in the $135 and lower range. Savinelli, Stanwell, and Peterson all make "entry" level pipes that do the job to the satisfaction of thousands of smokers. These makers also offer higher grades for people looking for more than basic.
So what constitutes the difference? Materials and their processing. At the basic level you get a properly machine made pipe with good basic engineering using a middle grade briar that doesn't have spectacular grain, nor the best heat dispersion, nor the longest life expectancy, though with proper care you can get decades of pleasure from it. There will be sand pits and/or putty fills in the bowl's exterior, which do not affect the smoking quality, but which are not considered cosmetically desirable. The stems will be injection molded. To keep the cost down, handwork is kept to a minimum.

With more expensive pipes you get better materials and better processing. The briar comes from the plateau of the burl. The burl itself has been in the ground longer, developing better organic structure which translates, possibly, to better graining - tighter and more even grain - and better heat dispersion characteristics. The burl has been air dried for a longer period of time (which costs money) before it is cut into blocks from which pipes will be fashioned. The blocks are cut by hand by an experienced cutter (the most critical stage) who looks to maximize the quality of the block while cutting and tossing away the more questionable parts. The blocks are further aged, and/or treated with oil to remove remaining resins before being shaped. Storing materials for long periods of time, several years, is an expense.

When it's time to turn the blocks into pipes, there is more critical oversight with more expensive pipes. Makers who turn out only flawless smooth surfaced pipes toss out a lot of material in the process, or they "downstream" it to lower market brands. But choosing only the best material, or disposing of a less than perfect carving job also raises the cost and therefore the price. When you are buying from a high end maker, you're not just paying for that pipe, but you are also paying for the costs involved in making something of rare quality and that cost includes all of the throwaways - the pipes or wood that ultimately didn't meet the makers criteria for quality. All of that oversight costs money.
If the pipe is carved by hand, if the pipe has a hand carved stem made from very high grade material, if it has carefully wrought internal engineering and finishing, if the pipe is a one-of-a-kind artisan piece, if it is flawless, if it has superb grain, beautiful birdseye, etc, etc, all of that costs money to achieve and is reflected in the price of the pipe. And after all of that, the pipe may not smoke any better than a basic entry level pipe. But chances are that it will smoke very well and continue to do so for more than several lifetimes, with proper care.
If you are looking for absolutes, forget about it. There are too many steps and variables in the process for that to exist. But some manufacturers, such as Savinelli, Bjarne, Nording, and Stanwell have created very efficient production lines that allow them to produce a quality product for an affordable price.

 

throbinson

Starting to Get Obsessed
Nov 19, 2014
233
9
Zurich, ON (Canada)
...the pictures your showing are all smooth pipes and smooth pipes are more expensive than blasts and rusticated pipes...
The Stanwell 207 styled pipe sandblasted is about $50 more than the smooth one I have in the photo (based on MSRP). :D
One of the people who were checking for me, messaged me today and said he can get me the above pictured Stanwell for $85 and like $14 to ship to Canada. Bit more than my initial budget but I think I'll be happy. It's around the range of price most people suggested, people have recommended Stanwell, and personally I'll be getting something I like the looks of.
They also sell those Castleford reamers cheap so, 2 birds with 1 stone. Though (in another thread) I'll make sure to inspect the blades before using the reamer. Also, will buy a 1oz sample of an English blend to try. So far aromatics aren't my thing, Lane 1-Q and the Prince Albert I enjoy, someone suggested something like Petersons Old Dublin Blend so will try something along those lines.

 

freakiefrog

Part of the Furniture Now
Dec 26, 2012
745
3
Mississippi
One of the people who were checking for me, messaged me today and said he can get me the above pictured Stanwell for $85 and like $14 to ship to Canada. Bit more than my initial budget but I think I'll be happy. It's around the range of price most people suggested, people have recommended Stanwell, and personally I'll be getting something I like the looks of.
I have two Stanwells they are some of my daily smokers. Really good pipes for the price point.
They also sell those Castleford reamers cheap so, 2 birds with 1 stone. Though (in another thread) I'll make sure to inspect the blades before using the reamer. Also, will buy a 1oz sample of an English blend to try. So far aromatics aren't my thing, Lane 1-Q and the Prince Albert I enjoy, someone suggested something like Petersons Old Dublin Blend so will try something along those lines.

Get you a tin of Frog Morton, Frog Morton Across the Pond, and Frog Morton on the Bayou those are some really good starter English and VaPEr blends.

 

throbinson

Starting to Get Obsessed
Nov 19, 2014
233
9
Zurich, ON (Canada)
You should see me buying something like a car! :D
But I did get the answer I was after... sounds to me like a good pipe can be had for the $80-100 range, so long as you stick with a decent name brand. Pipes that are $200+ you'll be paying probably for the name, material, uniqueness of it being hand crafted etc, but probably not a 'better' smoke.
Again, my watch analogy... after you spend $100 on a watch, it's not going to keep/tell time better, you're paying for the name and the bling. :)
Cleaning up those old estate pipes will be good for me as well, because I'll have (in the end) a few pipes to use and compare one another against. If I don't mess them up. :)
...in the meanwhile, if I ever see that plywood veneer ROPP for sale again, it's gonna be mine. :D

 

throbinson

Starting to Get Obsessed
Nov 19, 2014
233
9
Zurich, ON (Canada)
You still have allot to learn ... 207 is just a shape number. The Night/Day is a specific series of pipes within the Stanwell line. Just comparing the Day/Night 207 to a sandblasted 207 is not a very good comparison at all when saying one is cheaper and one is more expensive. Your looking at just pricing and not at what your actually getting.
Well, it's the only way to really compare... I'm comparing the same shape/style of two pipes from the same company being sold at the same basic level. If saying smooth pipes cost more than sandblasted pipes, I can't compare different pipes by different companies because the price difference may not be due to the finish at all. I know the Night&Day is a different line than the Sterling, but it's as close of a comparison as you're going to get I think when talking about the finish costing more/less.

 

boilermakerandy

Starting to Get Obsessed
Nov 27, 2014
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Well, it's the only way to really compare... I'm comparing the same shape/style of two pipes from the same company being sold at the same basic level. If saying smooth pipes cost more than sandblasted pipes, I can't compare different pipes by different companies because the price difference may not be due to the finish at all. I know the Night&Day is a different line than the Sterling, but it's as close of a comparison as you're going to get I think when talking about the finish costing more/less.
What he is saying is all other things being equal a sandblasted or rusticated pipe will generally cost less than a smooth finish. In your example, you are comparing the same shape in two different lines so there will be other quality factors besides finish coming into play. For example, I have a large sitter made by Tim West that has a rusticated finish and cost many times what the smooth Peterson I just purchased cost but it has some other features besides just the finish. What he told you is just a general rule of thumb as there are many factors besides finish that determine the price of a pipe.
I agree that a Stanwell will most likely be a good pipe for you, they are nice pipes.

 

throbinson

Starting to Get Obsessed
Nov 19, 2014
233
9
Zurich, ON (Canada)
In your example, you are comparing the same shape in two different lines so there will be other quality factors besides finish coming into play
They're considered two different lines, because one line is sandblasted and the other is smooth... otherwise they're the same pipe, which is why I compared them. Looking at the specs, same materials, same dimensions, same hole sizes, same stems material... apart from a 0.1oz difference in weight, it's the same exact pipe with a different finish.
Different lines is a much closer comparison than a Tim West and a Peterson, which are not only different lines but different makes... there's no way of knowing if a smooth one would have been more or less money, unless you compared the same same make/model of blasted pipe to the exact same pipe smooth... which is what I did.
As Sablebrush52 said

But some manufacturers, such as Savinelli, Bjarne, Nording, and Stanwell have created very efficient production lines that allow them to produce a quality product for an affordable price.
Production line... so, the two pipes I compared are going to be about as close as you can get to one another... which makes them perfect for comparison. And in that comparison... blasted costs more.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
12,462
19,010
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
I do not purchase pipes sight unseen or fondled. I only purchase a new pipe when I am in a large city with an outstanding tobacconist. My favorite shops being in Chicago, Dublin and London. I may not visit a store for a year or two.
I enter one of the stores and eye the displayed wares. When a pipe catches my eye I ask for it. The pipe is fondled, turned over and over in my hand as I check for fills, fit and finish, and the heft. It is taken apart a couple of times, reassembled and a cleaner passed more than once. The cleaner test is not necessarily a deal breaker. The other examinations are. It's strictly pass/fail. I may not find a pipe I like or, I might find two or three. I never go into a store "having" to buy a pipe.
There in one creator of pipes in London who's work I admire greatly. He finally created a pipe I was happy with three years ago. Next year I might check his work again in the hopes of adding another pipe. He sells his wares at a flea market near Piccadilly.
The reason I do not buy a pipe sight unseen or unfondled is not the fear of quality or final satisfaction from an e-tailer. The reason is that it might take months for the different selections to travel back and forth from dealer to me and, perhaps, back again. I wouldn't want to tie up his time or inventory and I do not wish to tie up my money until I find a satisfactory smoke.
It's been many years since I've felt the "need" to buy a smoker. I buy a pipe now only when it issues its siren call from the case or the wall display. Then . . . it is game on!

 

throbinson

Starting to Get Obsessed
Nov 19, 2014
233
9
Zurich, ON (Canada)
Sadly, I live in a village of 800 people an hour away from the nearest big city, where the tobacconist only had maybe 10 pipes. :S
As for that last comment, so me comparing a Stanwell against another Stanwell in the same price range and target market is wrong, but comparing two totally different brands of pipes makes sense when figuring out if blasted or smooth costs more?
It's like saying red cars cost more then blue cars, and using a red BMW vs a blue Honda to prove the point. I'm at least comparing two Honda's.
As for waiting to hear someone say I'm right... Hardly. Few comments made claims that some pipes are better than others but gave no details as to why. Asking for details is different than waiting to be told I'm right.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
12,462
19,010
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
You have my sympathies!
I live 1400+ (flying) miles from the nearest city with a decent tobacconist, Seattle. It'd take 3 days of hard driving to get to Chicago and it's about 5 hours flying time. I do not shop for pipes very often, except for cobs. Those I can get at a local shop. I keep a few in the shop and the camera bag.

 

throbinson

Starting to Get Obsessed
Nov 19, 2014
233
9
Zurich, ON (Canada)
Wow...that's crazy. You don't fly down all that way for just pipes I hope?
I think I need to get a passport. Haven't been down to the States since the started needing a passport to cross over.
Good idea about the camera bag though, I might migrate my corncob over to mine when the Stanwell arrives.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
12,462
19,010
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
I don't fly for the pipes. But, whenever I'm in a city of any size, if there is a decent tobacconist I make the effort to at least look in the door.
I'm not an acquirer of pipes simply to have pipes. Nor am I a collector. I am exclusively a smoker of pipes. I own in the neighborhood of two dozen pipes, excluding cobs, and a pipe really has to know all the right moves before I would consider buying it.
You're getting started on a very interesting journey and sound fairly bright. As I suggested earlier, slow down a bit. I think it's a journey that should be savored. Acquire a couple of good smokers and get well acquainted with them. Explore some different blends. After a period of time you'll have an idea of where you want to go with pipes and all of the, sometimes very confusing and oft time conflicting, information you get here will start to make more sense.
I don't believe anyone on this forum would intentionally feed you bad information, it's more a matter of, "different strokes for different folks." What works for one sometimes doesn't always work for everyone.
So go and enjoy the journey. It'll be fun and sometimes frustrating.

 

tedrow42

Lurker
Dec 5, 2014
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I have 2 pipes well one and a half... i got my first one and broke it so i had to buy anothe. No idea what the first one is and the second i got at a cigar shop. Latter found out its a medi somthing they sell filters of the same brand in the liquor stores around here. Seem to smoke ok i realy liked the first one but cant find a stem for it. It was around the 30 dollar mark. I cant seem to stop scorching it so im not spenting big bucks till i get that part down

 

throbinson

Starting to Get Obsessed
Nov 19, 2014
233
9
Zurich, ON (Canada)
Ya, like I said before... buried way way back in this long thread (grin) I'm new... I may or may not continue smoking a pipe 6 months from now, so it doesn't make sense to rush out and slap $300 down on the counter and buy a new pipe.
Same time, didn't want to buy something off eBay and get a clunker either.
After reading some posts I've upped my budget, getting that Stanwell for $85 plus shipping. MSRP is about $110 so, I think given the brand/price I'm going to get something that's a good quality entry level pipe. And again, I have 18 estates here to clean up so, eventually have a few more to compare against.

 

throbinson

Starting to Get Obsessed
Nov 19, 2014
233
9
Zurich, ON (Canada)
Latter found out its a medi somthing they sell filters of the same brand ...
Medico... I have one (Medico Appolo) in the estate lot that I got. Also 2 x Dr. Grabow's, and a Dr. Townshend... drugstore pipes I guess, but, kinda liked how many pipes have Dr in the name, or a name like Medico... was it a marketing ploy, make them sound healthier than they are? :D

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
12,462
19,010
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
I suspect the Stanwell will treat you well. A couple of cobs will keep you from over smoking the briar and give you a good return on what you spend for them. If you don't expect too much at the start I suspect you'll soon thoroughly enjoy the experience.

 

pitchfork

Lifer
May 25, 2012
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I think given the brand/price I'm going to get something that's a good quality entry level pipe
Once you've smoked a pipe for a while, you'll get a better sense of what's important to you as a smoker. For lots of folks, Stanwell pipes (or Peterson or Savinelli) are everything they could possibly need. So I wouldn't think of one of these as "entry level," but as good quality pipes at a good price. Neither of my cars is a luxury or sports car, but they do exactly what I want them to do. Buying a BMW or whatever would be a waste of money for me. I'm well aware of the differences, but to me they're not important. Same way with pipes. Any of the major brands will provide a good smoke. But the more expensive brands/makers will give you the equivalent of leather seats, excellent handling, top-notch styling, etc.

 

throbinson

Starting to Get Obsessed
Nov 19, 2014
233
9
Zurich, ON (Canada)
But the more expensive brands/makers will give you the equivalent of leather seats, excellent handling, top-notch styling, etc.
Exactly what I was trying to get across earlier when some said I needed to spend a few hundred to 'really enjoy the smoke'... well, the smoke won't be any better, I'd simply have a pipe with some nicer features.
If my car had leather seats it would be worth more, but it wouldn't make the car perform any better. :D

 

boilermakerandy

Starting to Get Obsessed
Nov 27, 2014
248
0
As for waiting to hear someone say I'm right... Hardly. Few comments made claims that some pipes are better than others but gave no details as to why. Asking for details is different than waiting to be told I'm right.
Many posters here have tried to explain to you why some pipes are better than others yet you seem not to want to listen. Once you have more experience you will understand what is meant when someone refers to a "good smoker" versus a "poor smoker", the distinction is not something one can glean from reading or discussion, it must be experienced. All pipes are not created equal, even when considering two machine made pipes (which you seem to feel are equal in all regards) that come off the line one after another, one may deliver a world-class smoke while the next may be a turd. Pipes are not like computers or iPhones, they are made of natural materials and EVERY pipe is different regardless of similarity in appearance or manufacturing method. Briar is a natural material and pipes are made by humans so there are no guarantees but your chances of buying a pipe that will deliver a great smoke and last for a lifetime (or many lifetimes in some cases) goes up exponentially when you buy a pipe made by a well-established company or artisan with experience and a good reputation. I really don't know what else to say so I'm done with this topic. Good luck.

 
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