And even after that period, you will still have a large assortment of pre-2007 blends to choose from (at least until the FDA starts to regulate those blends).
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Before 2007, we all had things that we could smoke. But, my first line of defense would be to budget, budget, budget. When I switched form cigarettes to pipes, I was spending $300 a month on cigarettes, which if you were ever a cig smoker, you know what I mean.
I just put that $300 a month towards buying bulk tobaccos every month (and later tins), with a clear precise goal in mind. If you work it into your budget like water or electricity, you'll be surprised at how much you can buy.
My suggestion is to build a plan. Escudo will go on sale at least once a year. So, don't buy things like that till they do go on sale. Don't buy tons of different tins willie nillie. Try to buy up at least ten tins at a time, which is about one pound. And, five pounds of bulk at a time gets you the most bang for your buck. And, when something like Escudo does go on sale, buy 30-40 tins at a time.
That's just been my plan, with lists of my favorites, and a vision for what I want to end up with. You cannot build something without some idea of what it will look like when done.
That's my advice... and buy lots of War Horse!!!
I just put that $300 a month towards buying bulk tobaccos every month (and later tins), with a clear precise goal in mind. If you work it into your budget like water or electricity, you'll be surprised at how much you can buy.
My suggestion is to build a plan. Escudo will go on sale at least once a year. So, don't buy things like that till they do go on sale. Don't buy tons of different tins willie nillie. Try to buy up at least ten tins at a time, which is about one pound. And, five pounds of bulk at a time gets you the most bang for your buck. And, when something like Escudo does go on sale, buy 30-40 tins at a time.
That's just been my plan, with lists of my favorites, and a vision for what I want to end up with. You cannot build something without some idea of what it will look like when done.
That's my advice... and buy lots of War Horse!!!
Actually, they can. None of this is about gov't. revenue. It's about politics, power and ideology. Lobbyist's money...money that buys elections...that's another issue. But taxes/fees/tariffs? It's a drop in the bucket and doesn't sway policy one iota.
That's exactly what I intend to do. And as you state in another post in this thread, there are all kinds of pre-2007 blends that won't be affected. Most of what I smoke is pre-2007, so I'm in pretty good shape there.
We'll also need to be cognizant of the coming tax hikes on pipe tobacco, likely putting pipe tobacco taxes on par with cigarette taxes. In the meantime, I will be placing an order each month and building up my cellar to the extent that I can. If nothing else, tobacco won't get any cheaper, and I'll have some well-aged stuff to smoke.
By my reading, I'm guessing there's a lot less time left than people think for all the post February 2007 blends. If you look above there are three key deadlines: August 2017, February 2018, and August 2018. Unless a manufacturer plans to send in the whole application for new product approval, They're done on August 2018. But I doubt there's many of those. So if a manufacturer is planning to apply for Substantial equivalence, they'll have to apply by February 2018. And I also doubt there's many of those. That leaves us with applications for exemption from Substantial Equivalence, which is due by August 2017. And I still doubt there's many of those.
What's that mean? To me it suggests if a manufacturer isn't going to invest the money for one of those pathways, the product needs to be gone by August 2017 - let's call that 11 months away. Which means they likely need to stop distributing months ahead of time. So depending on the blend, a manufacturer of a post 2007 blend may be interested in halting production as early as.......now.
What's that mean? To me it suggests if a manufacturer isn't going to invest the money for one of those pathways, the product needs to be gone by August 2017 - let's call that 11 months away. Which means they likely need to stop distributing months ahead of time. So depending on the blend, a manufacturer of a post 2007 blend may be interested in halting production as early as.......now.
jmatt, I had wondered the same but was assuming that mfgrs would file a substantial equivalence exemption request, even if done in a half ass manner, to buy themselves the additional 12 months. http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/TobaccoProductReviewEvaluation/ExemptionfromSubstantialEquivalence/default.htm
That said, maybe that is easier said than done. However, as stated in the link above, the exemption request avoids the necessity of submitting a full scientific SE report, which is I assume where the huges costs come into play.
That said, maybe that is easier said than done. However, as stated in the link above, the exemption request avoids the necessity of submitting a full scientific SE report, which is I assume where the huges costs come into play.
@peck- I read on the last page of the documents posted by the OP that all containers must be labeled "Allowed for sale in the United States only."
This won't affect international shipping will it? I'm pretty certain it won't but then again...
This won't affect international shipping will it? I'm pretty certain it won't but then again...
I would have thought not. I think that is primarily targeted at importers, but in any event, I think if you buy from SP or 4noggins the sale is taking place in the US because the product is yours as soon as you pay for it and they deliver it to US post.
Thanks Peck, that's pretty much what I figured.
I was getting a little rattled there, briefly. It's crazy the effect these regulations can have on one's psyche 8O.
I was getting a little rattled there, briefly. It's crazy the effect these regulations can have on one's psyche 8O.
Peck - I'd guess the real world answer lies somewhere in the middle. I would bet some of the post 2007 blends will be gone when current stock runs out, but some popular blends may continue production as long as possible, even if they ultimately file an application that's just complete enough to not look like a complete sham.
@stick, it says,
"Sale only allowed in the United States"
To me this indicates that exportation of US produced tobacco (or that imported for US sales) will be prohibited.
"Sale only allowed in the United States"
To me this indicates that exportation of US produced tobacco (or that imported for US sales) will be prohibited.
Have recently gotten back into the hobby, the only thing I can do is to begin to buy a bit more each month to start building up a decent cellar of tobacco. None of the news is good; however, as was mentioned earlier, I am looking at the fact that I have a bit over a year to get a decent amount stored away.
Smoke what I like and cellar what I love is going to be my pipe smoking mantra.
Smoke what I like and cellar what I love is going to be my pipe smoking mantra.
When I receive a tin with this label I will take a photo of this in front of the most popular place in my city and send it to the FDA. I am living outside of the States by the way.
"Allowed for sale in the United States only."
I think there will be a lawsuit about this also. The FDA only has jurisdiction over what is sold in the United States. I don't think they have a right to tell a company what it can sell outside of this country.
I think there will be a lawsuit about this also. The FDA only has jurisdiction over what is sold in the United States. I don't think they have a right to tell a company what it can sell outside of this country.
"Allowed for sale in the United States only."
Note that the section of the chart that says that only applies to mfgrs and importers. There is no X marked by retailers.
Note that the section of the chart that says that only applies to mfgrs and importers. There is no X marked by retailers.
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