FDA Announcement July 28, 2017

[woodsroad]

I think this whole FDA thing was engineered by Standard Tobacco Co. of Pennsylvania.

That's what I think,

 

[jacks6]

No kidding. The absolute 180 on their attitude towards vape has me gobsmacked.
This whole thing supposedly came about as a way to get that under control because of the unknown risk and now they're actively trying to get people to move to vape from cigs? HUH?!

Here's the cause of the 180:

Many vapers are eager to have Gottlieb in office, and hope that he will intervene to prevent the FDA Center for Tobacco Products (CTP) from pursuing the deadlines in the agency’s 2016 deeming regulations, which will lead to the destruction of the independent vapor industry.
Although he was careful wording answers to the senators in his confirmation hearing, there are some indications that Gottlieb may be sympathetic to the vapor industry.
He has written at least one article that showed an understanding of the concept of reduced-risk nicotine products, and the problems of getting the FDA to approve them for sale

He has worked at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank that is generally pro-vaping

He used to sit on the board of directors for Kure, a franchise-based vaping retailer. He resigned from the board last year, but maintains an investment in the company, which he says he will sell if he becomes FDA commissioner

The Kure connection bothers anti-nicotine activists, of course, and Gottlieb promised to recuse himself from e-cigarette decisions until a year had passed since his board tenure. That would be just a month from now. But vaping opponents want him to separate himself from decisions on vape-related matters until a year after he sells his investments in the company.
“Kure markets e-cigarettes in flavors that could appeal to kids like cotton candy and sugar cookie, and they also present e-cigarettes as a fun recreational activity,’’ Vince Willmore, vice president at the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, told Bloomberg. “Those are the kinds of practices that have made e-cigarettes popular among young people, and so the practices of this company are cause for concern.’’

 

[brian64]

I think this whole FDA thing was engineered by Standard Tobacco Co. of Pennsylvania.

That's what I think,

If you guys had that kind of clout you wouldn't be hanging out on this forum. But STP will most certainly be on the selective enforcement list.

 

[darwin]

Vaping is a reduced risk activity, not a zero risk one. But whatever issues vaping has they are trivial in comparison to cigarette smoking. It is in fact an excellent way to kick the sticks. It worked for me.

 

[pipesmokingtom]

Well. The events of today certainly added some previously-unknown (at least to me) variables. At least it seems like everything can continue business-as-usual until 2021, but who actually knows at this point. I know I wouldn't feel terribly good about my decision if I were one of the ones that decided to cut bait early and stop producing things out of fear before all the cards were played.

 

[aldecaker]

All of that is great, Darwin, but if they're going to paint with a broad brush and throw the baby out with the bath water (pardon the metaphor mish-mash), in the rush to exterminate cigarette smokers, cigar and pipe smokers are screwed as well. You can kill a lot of flies with a howitzer, but the wall they are sitting on doesn't come out of it so good.

 

[weezell]

I think this whole FDA thing was engineered by Standard Tobacco Co. of Pennsylvania.

Commie Bastids!!!

 

[nukesimi]

Tell me there will be new blends! I want a Stonehaven clone!

 

[deathmetal]

So, we get some more breathing room to try to talk more sense into them.

That's good news. Thanks for the analysis, Kevin. Now I'm wondering how best to do this. Perhaps I can "occupy" the office of my Senator and do nothing but smoke Prince Albert until they haul me out and... well, I don't know what they do with protesters these days. Probably goat sodomy.

 

[Chasing Embers]

The government is probably a bunch of pipe smokers, and the Esoterica shortage is due to them buying it all up, and hiding those gold bags amongst the gold bars in Fort Knox. Ah, the FDA thing. Regulatory work takes college degrees to understand. As long as tobacco is threatened, they could still pull it at any time because it "threatens U.S. families". Far too much popular opinion is against smoking, so I'll relax when I get closer to 300 pounds cellared in my closet.

 

[deathmetal]

Let's face it: our elected officials are all high on Jenkem and will never understand our world, much less help us.

 

[mso489]

This might allow some older pipe shop owners to hang on for a few more years before they retire. It might nurse along some blends introduced after 2007. It might make tobacco samples a viable pipe show feature for a few more years. The introduction of new blends and the opening of new pipe businesses will probably still be effectively diminished by the uncertainty, which will be a drag on pipes and pipe tobacco for the foreseeable future. But my local independent shop may be secure for a few years.

 

[deathmetal]

Either that, or a pretext to Revolution, hard to tell!

 

[hobie1dog]

Let's face it: our elected officials are all high on Jenkem and will never understand our world, much less help us.

That is the new definition of insanity on this planet. this is a sad society we live in that permits that to happen.

 

[poudrecanyon]

This is my first post here and I am pleased to be here with such distinguished smokers of fine tobaccos.
I started smoking a pipe in 1961, when I was a boy of thirteen. I've smoked a pipe off and on since then and I have observed the anti-smoking movement all these 66 years. That movement is huge and rich and powerful and it has managed to convince the ever-changing majority that tobacco use in all forms is harmful to all. I believe that eventually the anti-smoking movement will succeed in it's goal to stop tobacco use because by comparison, we the smokers are unorganized, poor, reactive and ineffective. That is just the way it is, so smoke'em if you got'em and store away as much good tobacco as you will need, along with as much ammo as you can.
Thank you for your hospitality.

 

[poudrecanyon]

Oh, by the way, can you imagine how an FDA statement would have read if Hillary had been coronated in January?

 

[64alex]

[Either that, or a pretext to Revolution, hard to tell!]
I am for the revolution!

 

[Chasing Embers]

Oh, by the way, can you imagine how an FDA statement would have read if Hillary had been coronated in January?

Exactly the same. Not motivated by political power, but by popular opinion and money.

 

[deathmetal]

I am for the revolution!

Lock 'n load!

 

[prairiedruid]

Oh, by the way, can you imagine how an FDA statement would have read if Hillary had been coronated in January?

I'd imagine from her experience she would be more anti-cigar than anything.