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Haggis

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Nope, I blieve it is those special buffing wheels George posted lately; the cheerfully coloured rubber type ( silicone grinding/buffing ? ) ones.
Darn; the name/brand escaped me . They are in my Amazon basket now, but quite expensive.
Can be done using sisal wheels too, but they're a tad more abbrasive.
What is the name/link of those attachments for buffing. Are they for a Dremel?
 

georged

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DING DING DING

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Yup, those 3M Spinny Widgets

This video is queued to the explanation & demo. Just pretend the rim being worked on is the carbon-slabbed subject of this thread AND the spinny widget is a 36 grit brown one. (The less aggressive grits will just polish hard carbon, but the 36ers work like magic on it.)

PS --- No "spit and a rag" on planet Earth will remove plated carbon. I suppose the tobacco type is what makes some deposits hard and others soft. When it's the hard stuff, though, it must either be tediously chipped off with dental tool---which gives a shitty looking result---or Spinny Thinged off, which looks great.




Amazon to the rescue:

 
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geopiper

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All the brand-correct and period-correct "tells" that collectors look for to determine authenticity are covered.
Can you list what some of these might be, please?
 

monty55

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George, do you use the spiny things on just the blasted or rusticated rims? You wouldn't use this to remove hard carbon on a smooth rim would you... or would you? I was going to make one of those scrapers you fashioned from a putty knife blade as described in one of your other videos
 

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DING DING DING

:col:


Yup, those 3M Spinny Widgets

This video is queued to the explanation & demo. Just pretend the rim being worked on is the carbon-slabbed subject of this thread AND the spinny widget is a 36 grit brown one. (The less aggressive grits will just polish hard carbon, but the 36ers work like magic on it.)

PS --- No "spit and a rag" on planet Earth will remove plated carbon. I suppose the tobacco type is what makes some deposits hard and others soft. When it's the hard stuff, though, it must either be tediously chipped off with dental tool---which gives a shitty looking result---or Spinny Thinged off, which looks great.




Amazon to the rescue:

Brilliant George. My Rolec bristle discs which work well on Triumph or MGB motor parts, would be too aggressive for pipe work And, too large for that level of control. What you've shown us is the sandblast version of contrast staining a polished briar.
Thanks for explaining the motor control speeds (those three phase speed controllers I suspect are not inexpensvie!) I could not replicate that type of restoration with my equipment, and it was fascinating to watch you work your magic.
 
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georged

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George, do you use the spiny things on just the blasted or rusticated rims? You wouldn't use this to remove hard carbon on a smooth rim would you... or would you? I was going to make one of those scrapers you fashioned from a putty knife blade as described in one of your other videos

Absolutely DO NOT use the 3M spinner on a smooth pipe. One touch is too much.

The little scaper doo-dad IS the best way to remove hard plated carbon on a smooth rim (short of outright topping).
 

georged

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Can you list what some of these might be, please?

Simple question, but impossible to answer without lots and lots of supporting photos covered with arrows and circles to define terms. And the result of doing THAT would be more questions, fractal-style, for a long time afterward.

Somewhat easier in person, like at a pipe show with dozens examples on a table and a couple hours to burn, but even then the info wouldn't be absorbed---be meaningful---without a lot of hands-on experience beforehand to get the "feel" of originality.

Put another way, serious collectors can examine pretty much any brand or model of pipe and tell you in less than a minute if it's original or not, but EXPLAINING how they came to the conclusion leaves them mostly using phrases such as "doesn't look right", and "proportions are off".

And it's off to the races again. "What do you mean by off? Off how, exactly?"

I guess the best answer is immersion. If you're interested in a brand, look at every example you can find and ask specific questions about IT---that one specimen---whenever possible. And mentally log the information. As time passes patterns will emerge and things will become obvious to you at a glance. Things you didn't even SEE before.
 

georged

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Did you cut the whole stem or start with a pre-molded? Diamond shank bents are proper bastard to hand cut while retaining symmetry. They frustrate me to no end.

NYH rod for the win.

10-4 on diamond shank bastard-ity. Ditto square and faceted. One pipe looks pretty much like another to the consumer public but not to us repairmen, eh? Whoops, I mean repairhumans.

Hold on... that term is also sexist, isn't it? Human.

Hmmm...

I know. We are repairpersons.

(Shit... that term contains the embedded word "son" which, of course, is non-child-bearing-capable specific, and therefore a microaggression.)

Let's see...

Repairits.

Yeah. That should work. You and I are "repairits", Rustie.

Welcome to 2023

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Regarding a term I used earlier, "plated carbon", here's a close-up of what I was referring to.
It's not common, but when you encounter it, boy howdy you will know it.

On a smooth, it's scrape time. On a blast, 3M spinny time. And even then it's gotta be 36 grit. The next click up for 3M spinnies is 80 grit, and they'll just shine it.


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Finally, I realized after posting the first set of pics that the color was off. Too orange-y.

So I took another shot with the color adjusted to match the stummel when held next to my computer screen.

Mucher gooder. It's a TANshell, dammit, not an ORANGEshell.

My apologies to anyone who might have been wondering.



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NYH rod for the win.

10-4 on diamond shank bastard-ity. Ditto square and faceted. One pipe looks pretty much like another to the consumer public but not to us repairmen, eh? Whoops, I mean repairhumans.

Hold on... that term is also sexist, isn't it? Human.

Hmmm...

I know. We are repairpersons.

(Shit... that term contains the embedded word "son" which, of course, is non-child-bearing-capable specific, and therefore a microaggression.)

Let's see...

Repairits.

Yeah. That should work. You and I are "repairits", Rustie.

Welcome to 2023

-----

Regarding a term I used earlier, "plated carbon", here's a close-up of what I was referring to.
It's not common, but when you encounter it, boy howdy you will know it.

On a smooth, it's scrape time. On a blast, 3M spinny time. And even then it's gotta be 36 grit. The next click up for 3M spinnies is 80 grit, and they'll just shine it.


View attachment 246134




Finally, I realized after posting the first set of pics that the color was off. Too orange-y.

So I took another shot with the color adjusted to match the stummel when held next to my computer screen.

Mucher gooder. It's a TANshell, dammit, not an ORANGEshell.

My apologies to anyone who might have been wondering.



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Repaireriser… 😂

I used to think it was easier to trim up a premolded stem and stick it on a pipe. I have come to find out that is definitely not the case. Cutting a stem from rod is actually easier that using a molded stem. I’m 100% in control of ALL the dimensions and not beholden to the jack legs making molded stems. I almost want to charge more to put a molded stem on a pipe than I do to cut one just to discourage people from asking for em… But then again I hate vulcanite and would rather work acrylic. I would also rather own acrylic.
 
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