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sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
21,023
50,384
Southern Oregon
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2022 bags already showing up on tinbid … I’m sooooooooo shocked.
I don't know why. If people weren't lining up to buy it at inflated prices, other people wouldn't be selling it at inflated prices. In any market the buyer actually sets the price.
Besides, how many other opportunities do you get for an almost instant 400% profit. At least with this there's something tangible. With Crapto and Shitcoin you have nothingness back by the full faith and credit of nothingness. With both, it's all speculation based on "the greater fool". And there's no shortage of fools.
 

DonutLuvr

Starting to Get Obsessed
Sep 12, 2019
218
1,650
Butler County, Ohio
My whole thoughts on the Esoterica blends being snatched up immediately.... it reminds me all too well of what is going on in the bourbon world. Use to be able to walk into the liquor store and pick up bottles like Rock Hill Farms, Elmer T Lee, EH Taylor SmB, SIB, etc..... now they are considered "allocated" and most stores do raffles on these items. Worse, some stores sell for near secondary pricing. It really does appear that most of these bottles, that are sold at retail, are picked up by guys with nothing better to do than wait in line for hours just to flip the bottle. They all know the store release dates.

I do enjoy a few of the Esoterica blends, still haven't tried Penzance or Stonehaven. Thankfully the ones I do like, If I get the urge and know there is a drop, I can still somewhat easily source those with a little legwork.
 

telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
I have a good supply of Esoterica. I RARELY smoke it.

That got me to thinking. Why do I so RARELY gravitate to it?

Hmmmm.

Maybe because all things being equal, amongst the 50 odd blends I have cellared, I have better choice.

So, I thought I was actually interested in getting some more. Now I know it would have to be placed right in front of me, at retail, and then I might pick up a tin or two. Not bags.

Money to burn is lit by the fires of ego.
 

otm

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jan 23, 2020
159
1,451
Texas
My whole thoughts on the Esoterica blends being snatched up immediately.... it reminds me all too well of what is going on in the bourbon world. Use to be able to walk into the liquor store and pick up bottles like Rock Hill Farms, Elmer T Lee, EH Taylor SmB, SIB, etc..... now they are considered "allocated" and most stores do raffles on these items. Worse, some stores sell for near secondary pricing. It really does appear that most of these bottles, that are sold at retail, are picked up by guys with nothing better to do than wait in line for hours just to flip the bottle. They all know the store release dates.

I do enjoy a few of the Esoterica blends, still haven't tried Penzance or Stonehaven. Thankfully the ones I do like, If I get the urge and know there is a drop, I can still somewhat easily source those with a little legwork.
I totally agree. The bourbon thing is crazy to me.
 

vates

Starting to Get Obsessed
Sep 16, 2019
275
500
The whole mania surrounding the Esoterica line isn't a reflection of the tobaccos, which are, or were, generally quite good and quite unique. Blame pipe smokers for the current state of affairs.

The line was originally created to offer an alternative to the bespoke line of Smokers Haven blends that were originally made by Sobranie Ltd and later by Germain's. They were derived from Germain's catalog of private label blends, blends that they had created for various tobacconists. They weren't ever marketed as the "best of the best" by Germain's. That BS came from the fevered minds of their fanboys.

Being that Germain's is a small operation, turning out their blends in a decidedly old fashioned way, on centuries old equipment, output was limited. They were just another choice on the shelf, using higher grade ingredients and proper aging before release, what quality blenders, like Dunhill, Gawith, G&H, Rattray's, and others did as a matter of course.

Standards slipped with other blenders who rushed young tobaccos to market, or blends were altered to make turning out larger amounts much easier. Many of these quality blenders were sold off to conglomerates who took advantage of the reputations built by the original companies.

The panic and mania set in around 2006 when shipments from Germain's were temporarily interrupted and the mania has never stopped. But that mania was created by smokers, not by Germain's, who continued to offer their products at a reasonable price while retailers took advantage of smoker's Psychopathy Of Scarcity to charge an extra 20 to 25% over normal mark up. If something is pricey or in limited supply it MUST BE GREAT!

This is a situation that smokers created, a wound that is self inflicted.

I like many of the blends, though not all of them. I wouldn't pay more than retail and have never had to. It took no great effort to stock up over the years.

The stuff was often available on shelves for weeks ar B&Ms while people were rending their clothing and gnashing their teeth in frustration because the 3 or 4 online tobacconists who they repeated swarmed, ran out of stock due to crazed drooling hoarders. None of that is on Germain's who are what they are, a small operation, turning out their house style as they have for 200 years.


This.
Just go to StreetView and look at their premises on Jersey. It's literally a shack/garage. They're really a very small business with outdated technologies. So they can produce only so much tobacco. Scarcity fed the craze. Cunning retailers used it. Who would've not?
 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
21,023
50,384
Southern Oregon
jrs457.wixsite.com
I have a good supply of Esoterica. I RARELY smoke it.

That got me to thinking. Why do I so RARELY gravitate to it?

Hmmmm.

Maybe because all things being equal, amongst the 50 odd blends I have cellared, I have better choice.

So, I thought I was actually interested in getting some more. Now I know it would have to be placed right in front of me, at retail, and then I might pick up a tin or two. Not bags.

Money to burn is lit by the fires of ego.
Over a period years I collected a pile of Esoterica blends, a bag here, a bag there, once or twice a year, year after year. No fuss, no muss. While people were obsessing over Penzance, which I dislike, then later Stonehaven, which I do like, I found others of the line up that I liked and stocked.

It's been a year since I last smoked any of it, the last being Dunbar, and 3 or more years since I smoked any Stonehaven. It's just not calling to me. I'm enjoying G&H more.

Fortunately, the mass of lemmings pipe smokers go after "stars". Leaves a lot of room for quality blends that aren't objects of cultish worship.
 

cohibajoe

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 2, 2018
722
1,166
Branchburg, NJ
My whole thoughts on the Esoterica blends being snatched up immediately.... it reminds me all too well of what is going on in the bourbon world. Use to be able to walk into the liquor store and pick up bottles like Rock Hill Farms, Elmer T Lee, EH Taylor SmB, SIB, etc..... now they are considered "allocated" and most stores do raffles on these items. Worse, some stores sell for near secondary pricing. It really does appear that most of these bottles, that are sold at retail, are picked up by guys with nothing better to do than wait in line for hours just to flip the bottle. They all know the store release dates.

I do enjoy a few of the Esoterica blends, still haven't tried Penzance or Stonehaven. Thankfully the ones I do like, If I get the urge and know there is a drop, I can still somewhat easily source those with a little legwork.
I know nothing about "Hard to Find" brands. I buy the High-Priced items (reg prices) in two local stores and when they come in, the store managers reward's me and at those Retail prices. Nov and Dec finds. As with Esoterica, not chasing the brand anymore.

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