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telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
Well, I'm late to the discussion but I do find pipe smoking to often be spiritual for me. A pipe is a great way to get into a contempletive or prayerful state. The wonder of God is exposed in his creation. I see the wonder of God's handiwork revealed in the grain of a gorgeous briar.
Yes, that’s it. Seeing and admiring God’s handiwork as it is revealed everywhere and in everything is wonderous. Just as not all who wander all lost - not all who are being meditative are in a prayerful state. No differently, not all who smoke fill the throne room of God with their prayers and supplications.
 

MisterBadger

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Well, spirituality is a broad term that refers to many things. From inner personal purpose, a connection within our smoking community, or in a religious sense.

By the way, I’m new here, lurking around.
So what you're saying is that it's like a bowl of fruit, and some of us are talking grapes at others who have bananas in mind?
 

Zamora

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It's definitely meditative for me but not spiritual. I do practice actual meditation daily but it's a very demystified form, I use Headspace if anybody is curious.
 

telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
Meditative could also mean spiritually.
It could. But it doesn't seem to, to many who have posted here, though it does to others. Perhaps what we have here is a tacit lack of agreement as to what we think either word means.
Well, spirituality is a broad term that refers to many things. From inner personal purpose, a connection within our smoking community, or in a religious sense.

By the way, I’m new here, lurking around.
Perhaps in a way. If we sit, smoke and ponder by looking inwards into ourselves, this may be considered a spiritual experience.
Yes to everything above. Spirituality... let's not overthink it.
 

telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
Spirituality is an awareness that there is something more... smoking a pipe allows one time to stop, think, contemplate, organize thought, and find transcendence with one's self, identity, and their place...

Not everyone of course finds this ascribes to them while smoking their pipe. Not everyone will in fact ever have any moments in their life that the above descriptors will be relevant. Everyone is different. But many who do smoke a pipe find the above description does apply to them.

Surfing can be spiritual.

This came to me once while catching a wave...


Behind the Illusion


We are made of Stardust
And powered by Sunlight.

Our thoughts ride
on Infinite waves of expanding energy
whose crests and troughs
are time and space.

Our bodies reflect
the increasingly complex patterns
of order that we know as our universe –

Our lives are but a moment upon this wave
and we are all surfers,
here to enjoy this moment
before it all tumbles into decay.
 

DeaconPiper

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Deacon Piper,
I'm also in the Orthodox Church. Alot of non-smokers like the smell of pipes. Have you found that true about other parishioners? What blends do you like to smoke after church?

Last Paskha after Church on Sunday a group of parishioners mostly in their 20's piped in the area out by the church's entrance, which is like a little garden plaza. A lot of them were new or one-time pipers who were smoking Savinellis that a friend of mine brought in a big leather pipe pouch.

May I please ask what ingredients are in your parish's common incense, or which blend that you use, like "Byzantium"? The reason that I ask is because sometimes I see pipe blends described as being like incense. So it makes me wonder what the normal or default smell of incense is.
I regularly pipe War Horse, Ten Russians and Nightcap. Of course, I have a huge variety of other blends peppered throughout the day and week, but I have one of the above mentioned each, or every other, day. I like strong, latakia focused blends with a hint of sweetness.

You ask about incense ingredients. Most of our incense comes from Athos, and Holy Cross Hermitage in West Virginia. These consist of various resins, an interesting spectrum of fragrances depending on time of year, for example, sweeter incense with more flowery notes for feasts, bitter during fasts, etc.

I’ve never heard of a pipe blend anything like incense, but I am quite familiar with nasal snuff and here you’ll find many pleasant similarities.
 

rakovsky

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I regularly pipe War Horse, Ten Russians and Nightcap. Of course, I have a huge variety of other blends peppered throughout the day and week, but I have one of the above mentioned each, or every other, day. I like strong, latakia focused blends with a hint of sweetness.

You ask about incense ingredients. Most of our incense comes from Athos, and Holy Cross Hermitage in West Virginia. These consist of various resins, an interesting spectrum of fragrances depending on time of year, for example, sweeter incense with more flowery notes for feasts, bitter during fasts, etc.

I’ve never heard of a pipe blend anything like incense, but I am quite familiar with nasal snuff and here you’ll find many pleasant similarities.
Deacon Piper,
If you're into the E.O. Slavic theme, there's an Oriental Leaf brough from Java to the former republics of Yugoslavia called Herzegovina Flor that Croatians call Shkiya. It was brought to the Russian Empire, particularly the Black Sea region from former Yugoslavia and grown there through into the Soviet period where it was used as the basis for a premium, top-class filterless cigarette called Herzegovina Flor.

A couple months ago another piper, from Michigan, sent me a sample packet of D and R's Blender's Bench "Bulgarian Leaf".

The Oriental variety known as "Katerini" has a name matching a port in Greece. It's very delicate though, so I guess you wouldn't like it.

So in case you know someone in one of the Eastern European countries, they have a couple nice local regional "Oriental" blends that they could send you.

In case you are into heavy Latakia blends, it reminds me of a Cossack style song, "When we were at War", (Koga My Byli Na Voyne): In the lyrics, the Cossack was rejected by a lady that he liked and he stared into his pipe with its blue flame and "bitter Turkish tobacco." The song prompted me to try Englishes and Orientals, and you can find performances of the song online. Personally, alot of Latakias I find to be like either old leather or like a barnstall and don't like it alot, but some like Petersen's Standard Mixture are fine for me.
 
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MisterBadger

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In case you are into heavy Latakia blends, it reminds me of a Cossack style song, "When we were at War", (Koga My Byli Na Voyne): In the lyrics, the Cossack was rejected by a lady that he liked and he stared into his pipe with its blue flame and "bitter Turkish tobacco." The song prompted me to try Englishes and Orientals, and you can find performances of the song online.
@rakovsky - I looked up the English lyrics while listening to the song on YouTube. It made the hairs on my arms stand up. I'm fond of war poetry (when I'm in a certain mood), and this one certainly hits the spot. Thank you.

If anyone's interested, you can hear the song and follow the words in English, here:

 
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rakovsky

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@rakovsky - I looked up the English lyrics while listening to the song on YouTube. It made the hairs on my arms stand up. I'm fond of war poetry (when I'm in a certain mood), and this one certainly hits the spot. Thank you.

If anyone's interested, you can hear the song and follow the words in English, here:

Mr. Badger,
I like Charge of the Light Brigade and took it as an antiwar poem, but weirdly I found out that it wasn't necessarily intended that way. Some Russian Cossack songs remind me of that theme because they have the heroism, risk, potential doom theme, along with being about cavalry.

In the 2000's I visited Sevastopol as a tourist and a panorama for the siege during the Crimean War. In England there was a Christian-oriented minority against UK intervention in that war because the UK was entering the war on the side of Muslim Turkey against Christian Russia. Russia's goal in the conflict was to free Christian East Europeans from Ottoman rule. The US was mildly sympathetic to Russia in that conflict, but didn't intervene.

"When we were at war" was actually written in the 1990's. I tried to find the kind of tobacco that the lyrics referenced, but I only found a couple literary references over the last two centuries to bitter Turkish tobacco in Russian. Like some German or Polish soldiers had bitter smelling Turkish tobacco in a few old stories from around the WW1 era. I got the impression that the composer of the song's lyrics was using creative license or else relying on his own perception of some unnamed Latakia-including blend. Otherwise, minus Latakia I didn't find Orientals like pure Katerini or Izmir or Samsun specifically bitter. Izmir was like old wood or an old wood museum, but not foul. Maybe there is some Oriental bitter leaf variety I am missing?

The song references "Horse My Raveny" a poetic way of rewording "My raven colored horse." I guess that references a different known cossack song titled "Black Raven", Chorniy Voron with kind of a similar theme.
 
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rakovsky

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You ask about incense ingredients. Most of our incense comes from Athos, and Holy Cross Hermitage in West Virginia. These consist of various resins, an interesting spectrum of fragrances depending on time of year, for example, sweeter incense with more flowery notes for feasts, bitter during fasts, etc.

I’ve never heard of a pipe blend anything like incense, but I am quite familiar with nasal snuff and here you’ll find many pleasant similarities.
My question would be whether you have a default incense blend and if so, what is it and what are the ingredients? I'm guessing the typical common denominator is frankincense and myrrh.

I read in an E. Orthodox article that the recipe or basis for church incense originates from the Temple blend in Exodus 30:34. I got three of the ingredients as an order on Monday- frankincense, myrrh, and Galbanum. That galbanum is so sticky.

Indonesian Rhubarb Frankincense Tobacco has frankincense. It was a fine smoke. I noticed the frankincense in it, like sweet and oily.

I never had HU's Moroccan Bazaar, but it has frankincense too.
 
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MisterBadger

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Mr. Badger,
I like Charge of the Light Brigade and took it as an antiwar poem, but weirdly I found out that it wasn't necessarily intended that way. Some Russian Cossack songs remind me of that theme because they have the heroism, risk, potential doom theme, along with being about cavalry.

In the 2000's I visited Sevastopol as a tourist and a panorama for the siege during the Crimean War. In England there was a Christian-oriented minority against UK intervention in that war because the UK was entering the war on the side of Muslim Turkey against Christian Russia. Russia's goal in the conflict was to free Christian East Europeans from Ottoman rule. The US was mildly sympathetic to Russia in that conflict, but didn't intervene.

"When we were at war" was actually written in the 1990's. I tried to find the kind of tobacco that the lyrics referenced, but I only found a couple literary references over the last two centuries to bitter Turkish tobacco in Russian. Like some German or Polish soldiers had bitter smelling Turkish tobacco in a few old stories from around the WW1 era. I got the impression that the composer of the song's lyrics was using creative license or else relying on his own perception of some unnamed Latakia-including blend. Otherwise, minus Latakia I didn't find Orientals like pure Katerini or Izmir or Samsun specifically bitter. Izmir was like old wood or an old wood museum, but not foul. Maybe there is some Oriental bitter leaf variety I am missing?

The song references "Horse My Raveny" a poetic way of rewording "My raven colored horse." I guess that references a different known cossack song titled "Black Raven", Chorniy Voron with kind of a similar theme.

Mr. Badger,
I like Charge of the Light Brigade and took it as an antiwar poem, but weirdly I found out that it wasn't necessarily intended that way. Some Russian Cossack songs remind me of that theme because they have the heroism, risk, potential doom theme, along with being about cavalry.

In the 2000's I visited Sevastopol as a tourist and a panorama for the siege during the Crimean War. In England there was a Christian-oriented minority against UK intervention in that war because the UK was entering the war on the side of Muslim Turkey against Christian Russia. Russia's goal in the conflict was to free Christian East Europeans from Ottoman rule. The US was mildly sympathetic to Russia in that conflict, but didn't intervene.

"When we were at war" was actually written in the 1990's. I tried to find the kind of tobacco that the lyrics referenced, but I only found a couple literary references over the last two centuries to bitter Turkish tobacco in Russian. Like some German or Polish soldiers had bitter smelling Turkish tobacco in a few old stories from around the WW1 era. I got the impression that the composer of the song's lyrics was using creative license or else relying on his own perception of some unnamed Latakia-including blend. Otherwise, minus Latakia I didn't find Orientals like pure Katerini or Izmir or Samsun specifically bitter. Izmir was like old wood or an old wood museum, but not foul. Maybe there is some Oriental bitter leaf variety I am missing?

The song references "Horse My Raveny" a poetic way of rewording "My raven colored horse." I guess that references a different known cossack song titled "Black Raven", Chorniy Voron with kind of a similar theme.
Here in the market square in Ludlow is a captured Russian cannon, taken from the siege of Sevastopol - one of hundreds, but I often wonder if it might have been one commanded by the young Lieutenant Lev Nikolaievich Tolstoy (I often have to resist the temptation to tell tourists that it is). :)

In Britain, unsurprisingly, we put a different spin on what the Crimean War was about, but it would be going waaaay off topic... but I think I can state with confidence that the USA didn't intervene because it was in no position to. Besides, opening up a commercial empire in the Pacific seems to have been the US naval priority at the time.

I'm surprised the song is so modern. It sounds as if it might have been composed in 1854... or even earlier... anyway, about your bitter Turkish tobacco: perhaps - poetic licence apart - the author was referring to a Turkish leaf that was simply cheap and not well cured or blended - possibly the kind of tobacco issued to soldiers? If so, maybe your search should focus, not on a particular variety, but on rough, common tobacco of the sort that is not usually exported ?
 

rakovsky

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@MisterBadger
If you are a tourist guide you can tell them about Tolstoy and also say if he was in the artillery, or just that he was in the War, as you please. Whoever commanded that artillery piece might not have survived the war, and if they had survived, they would have either retreated or been taken POW. I don't know that any of those descriptions apply to Tolstoy.

As a US tourist, just being in Crimea myself, going to the panorama, the war felt like other past Western interventions where they fought Russian forces in Russia, like Napoleon's invasion, Entente involvement in the Russian Civil War. There was also an Anglo-French attack in Kamchatka in 1854. It felt like Western European colonialist-imperialist interventions in the rest of the world, like Africa, Asia, and the Americas.

Since there were outspoken English Christian opponents to the Crimean War, I don't see why one would feel compelled to support it. Personally, I tend to be an antiwar person, probably indirectly because of my Quaker heritage (they came from 17th-18th century England).

Sure, the US didn't intervene in the Crimean War because it didn't have much ability to.

Sure, the song's author was trying to compose his song in the style of the Cossack songs of the Russian empire.

Here's the Black Raven song that I think you will like:
It was published in 1831 and has very much the cossack theme style, and it has a cool fort in the video like in the Crimean War theme that you like.
Here's an article in English:

Here's the song with English subtitles:

As far as the type of Turkish leaf- I mentioned it to some people on a Russian history forum, and they reacted by saying, Now you know what a famous 19th century Russian poem by Tyutchev meant when it says, "Even the smoke of the fatherland is sweet and pleasant." The forum users contrasted "bitter" Turkish tobacco with the "sweet" smoke of the Russian fatherland. That makes sense, because probably Russia in terms of homeland is just called Birth-Land, rather than "fatherland", whereas "fatherland" brings a fatherly image, and pipe-smoking can be part of a fatherly image. The literal meaning of the line from the poem is that the fatherland (Russia) has smoke, like from a campfire or forest fire that is sweet and pleasant from the burning logs. But by referring to the fatherly image and to smoke, it brings to mind fathers smoking pipes with sweet, pleasant tobacco. And this contrasts with the image of Turkish "bitter" tobacco in the poem.

License apart, generally Russian cossacks would not be fighting in the service of the Ottomans or Turks, although I guess in the 15th-17th centuries or something like that, Ukrainian Cossacks might be. But the Russian composer would be more likely to see his song through the eyes of Russian Cossacks who would tend to be fighting Turkey, and hence as a historical issue wouldn't seem especially likely be getting Turkish-made tobacco as part of war rations. Of course, I could be wrong about that. The Russian army fought the Ottomans and Turkey all the way from Ukraine and the Caucasus to Bulgaria from the 18th to early 20th centuries. So at some point their soldiers would end up smoking some Turkish-grown blend.

By comparison, Russians in the mid-20th century were aware that "Turkish" coffee referred to a special method of coffee preparation, and not specifically to coffee grown in Turkey. I'm thinking that something is similar with regards to "Turkish" blends, whereby the tobacco could be grown outside Turkey and still count as "Turkish" in name because of its leaf variety or preparation method. So my guess is that this is what the Russian author, living actually in the 1990's, would be thinking of. He might or might not have more knowledge of 19th century pipe tobacco from Turkey than you or I do. Turkish tobacco as a preparation style tends to be prepared at length, rather than underproduced/underprepared. I could be wrong about that too, since Katerini seemed pretty delicate to me. It seems that Latakia as a dark style has a pretty old pedigree going back to the 19th century, because Walnut blend has Latakia and Rudyard Kipling and Mark Twain, in one legend, had a talk that touched on Latakia.

Another example: The lyrics say that the cossack smoked his "little pipe" with a "light blue little smoke". It feels like more poetic license. I don't know that Cossack pipes were usually little or that pipe smoke is "light blue". At most it seems that the smoke is either white, grey, or black.
 

ziv

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"When we were at war" was actually written in the 1990's. I tried to find the kind of tobacco that the lyrics referenced, but I only found a couple literary references over the last two centuries to bitter Turkish tobacco in Russian.
To be more precise, the poem was written in 1981-1985, according to Wikipedia. Which I learned just now, thanks to you (I had heard the song before, and I always thought it was written in like mid 19th century).

As to the type of tobacco, the original poem just had "Turkish tobacco". The word "bitter" was added in the song to keep the poetic meter; some variations had "black" instead.
 

rakovsky

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To be more precise, the poem was written in 1981-1985, according to Wikipedia. Which I learned just now, thanks to you (I had heard the song before, and I always thought it was written in like mid 19th century).
There are a lot of songs like that probably. Take for instance Tachanka. It's a song about the Russian Civil War but actually written in the 1930's.

The US has a niche genre of classic American folk song bands still, and some of them can put together songs that are in the same vein as American songs from centuries ago.
As to the type of tobacco, the original poem just had "Turkish tobacco". The word "bitter" was added in the song to keep the poetic meter; some variations had "black" instead.
When the song talks about "Turkish" tobacco, what do you guess that the song is referring to? Just generic tobacco grown in Turkey? Some kind of generic "Turkish-style" blend, like a Izmir plus Latakia mix?