Do All Mass Market Cigarettes Use Burley Tobacco?

[hawky454]

My question is why do cigarettes smell so bad?

Funnily enough, I smoked a couple of cigarettes since quitting 5 years ago, smoked them like I smoke a pipe or cigar, without inhaling and they tasted pretty damn good! Then I tried inhaling and thought there was no taste at all.

I actually put a Camel Turkish cigarette in my pipe and was surprised at how good it tasted. I can’t recall the name of the line it was but I think it was a limited release they came out with in 2017, they were focused mainly on the oriental aspect. My cigarette of choice when I was a smoker was Turkish Royal, even then, they reminded me more of what a pipe tobacco smelled like than a cigarette, it had a hint of vanilla.

 

[karam]

I've ben considering.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

That’s crazy as that really wasn’t that long ago... what was it 2 maybe 3 years ago that they changed the name?

It has to be longer than that. I’ve only ever seen it labeled Blackjack.

 

[hawky454]

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It has to be longer than that. I’ve only ever seen it labeled Blackjack.

Maybe I’m just a tripping then. I feel like it was at least within the time that I’ve been smoking a pipe...

edit* just from a quick search it looks like they were still calling it by it’s old name in European countries at least up until 2011... I was off by quite a few years, haha.

 

[jeff540]

Anyone know what magic tobacco was/is in State Express 555? If someone twisted my arm to smoke a cigarette, it'd be that one (in the blue box) - the only factory made cigarette that I've smoked to date that actually tasted good and smelled OK.

My wife smokes American Spirit and they are tolerable, but never something I'm interested in reaching for if my pipe is not available.

 

[rajangan]

I really liked Gitanes RYO, but then I tried their tailor mades and they weren't nearly as good.

As for smoking cigarettes in a pipe, I don't mind Drum as a cigarette, but it was terribly soapy in a pipe and ghosted it big time after one bowl.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

I’m not sure of they have this in Canada, but here the tobacco stores sell this “pipe cut” tobacco in one pound bags for $7-9. But, the stores tell you that this is meant for cigarettes, which immediately breaks state laws regarding tobacco taxes.
But, the tobacco is usually a great flu cured blend that tastes great in a pipe.

This is what I was referring to above. The main difference between this RYO and pipe tobacco is that it’s not really moist or heavily cased, which is just fine for me.

 

[rajangan]

I’m not sure of they have this in Canada, but here the tobacco stores sell this “pipe cut” tobacco in one pound bags for $7-9. But, the stores tell you that this is meant for cigarettes, which immediately breaks state laws regarding tobacco taxes.
But, the tobacco is usually a great flu cured blend that tastes great in a pipe.

This is what I was referring to above. The main difference between this RYO and pipe tobacco is that it’s not really moist or heavily cased, which is just fine for me.

There are no such loopholes in Canada, having no distinction between pipe tobacco, chewing tobacco, and cigarette tobacco. There are cheaper cigarette tobaccos, but the difference wouldn't be that significant. Canada charges 15.5¢/g, and Alberta charges 41.25¢/g.

 

[rajangan]

I'm curious about Hungarian cigarettes. Has anyone ever smoked Hungarian cigarettes? I grew a Hungarian tobacco called Kumanovo, and, next to Japan 8, which is totally out there, it was very unique.

Air cured, it was sweet, had a tongue bite like flue cured, and was dark and had obvious spicy notes like some cigar tobaccos. It was like it couldn't decide if it was an oriental, bright, or cigar leaf.

And it was the only tobacco I ever grew that had crystals. Lol. The video needs to be high quality to see them.

 

[Sloopjohnbee]

When we went and watched the process, when the tobacco was squeezed of all juices, it is technically "paper" being just the cellulose of the leaf left behind. But, it is rehydrated back with the reformulated juices. I think that the anti-smoking groups started huge misinformation campaigns, and started a lot of the misconceptions about cigarettes that still are floating around today.

Don't get me wrong, I hate the damned eyes out of the cigarette industry for blatantly lying to us for decades. They flat out lied to us. But, you have to laugh at some of the rumors about cigarettes that are floating about.

Also, there are three different types of companies most tobaccos have to go through before they get into our pipes. Farmers don't flu cure their own tobaccos, and there are very few, very very very few actual farmers left. So, if you smoke Virginias, you had better be nice to the cigarette industry. Because without them, there AIN'T no more Virginias. Of course, it isn't "treated" the same way cigarette tobacco is with the hydration process, but it is coming through their manufacturers.

You are saying that big-pipe-tobacco relies on big-cig for Virginia? can you elaborate - this is interesting.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

You are saying that big-pipe-tobacco relies on big-cig for Virginia? can you elaborate - this is interesting.

I don't have the details, so I can't elaborate more. But, Russ has mentioned that they rely on the tobacco manufacturers for their flu curing.
No longer are small farmers using this...


But, instead corporatations are using this...

...small cells with perfect temperature and humidity control.

Surely you guys have followed the demise of the small scale tobacco farmer. I mean, there may be a few hobby level farmers out there, but this was cited by McClellands as their reasons for getting out of the biz.
There are no more farmers competing, nor auctions, etc... it is merely corporate farms and manufacturers (or processors).
There may be a small scale something going on, and I would love to hear if any blenders know of anything like this happening, but for the most part, it's all a modern industry now. ...except maybe Kentucky Dark Fire. That is mostly used in chewing tobacco, and it is a larger market than pipes (and not really used in the cigarette industry), so there may still be private owned farms for that using the old smoke houses.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

except maybe Kentucky Dark Fire. That is mostly used in chewing tobacco, and it is a larger market than pipes (and not really used in the cigarette industry), so there may still be private owned farms for that using the old smoke houses.

I say that, but then I remembered that the cigarette Industry owns the chewing tobacco brands now. So...

 

[anotherbob]

I say that, but then I remembered that the cigarette Industry owns the chewing tobacco brands now. So...

but general treat them in a relatively hands off way. I think they know that cigs are on their way out slowly but surely (actually pretty quickly in the scheme of things) and that chewing tobacco of some sort is going to be the next average person form of tobacco. Or at least that's my theory and I'am sticking to it until the threats of violence get too much.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

but general treat them in a relatively hands off way. I think they know that cigs are on their way out slowly but surely (actually pretty quickly in the scheme of things) and that chewing tobacco of some sort is going to be the next average person form of tobacco. Or at least that's my theory and I am sticking to it until the threats of violence get too much.

The actual corporations that own cigarette companies diversified in the 90's, with the understanding that tobacco would be eradicated soon. They gave up. They now spend more time in the cheese industry and other agricultural products. It has been interesting to see how once they bought out chewing tobacco and dip(snuff) that they merged some things, like Camel Snuus etc... I had been expecting that once the FDA (don't forget that the cig board members control the FDA) made testing mandatory, that they would start buying up the pipe companies. Camel Escudo anyone? But, so far the pipe tobacco companies have been keeping their heads above water.

But, the end is near. All good things must end. Eventually.

 

[anotherbob]

things change but pipes will survive. It might become a very ecentric hobby and more of a pain in thee ass but it is sticking around at least until I die.

 

[The Clay King]

I really liked Gitanes RYO, but then I tried their tailor mades and they weren't nearly as good.

As for smoking cigarettes in a pipe, I don't mind Drum as a cigarette, but it was terribly soapy in a pipe and ghosted it big time after one bowl.

I tried it when I bought my first clay pipe, before I became aware of the differences between pipe / rolling tobacco.
In the UK, RYO cig blends are more readily available and very few local shops sell pipe blends.

 

[didimauw]

To be honest, burley has been the KING of pipe tobaccos since 1492. Form then till 1860's That was all there was, because that was when flu curing was started, which led to fire curing, etc... You also have to keep in mind that Virginia (bright leaf) tobaccos were always a sub par tobacco, because it is grown in inferior soils. It was the detritus of the tobacco world. No one wanted it, and it was used as a filler, because it was cheap. It is still cheap, comparatively. But, flu curing made a shitty cheapo scum sucking tobacco more palatable. Seriously! Look up the history of tobaccos.

It was weak, and didn't give much of a sensation like you'd get from a delicious hearty burley. But, then thin-necked city boys, pompas girly men, that they called "dandies" or "macaronis" started smoking these new Virginias, because it didn't make their weak inferior genetic make up sick at their sissy little stomachs. Today, we'd call them snowflakes or cucks.

But, burley remained king in OTCs, codger blends, and various other real men blends. 1792 and Brown Bogie are the evolution of real pipe tobaccos of old, from back when people complained about their pipe tobaccos, they blew their faces off and took their women and land as their own. Manifest Destiny this, motherf^cker. Red, white, and burley my patriotic ropes and twists. Through the battles, sweat, blood, and devastation, it's the burley they saw that gave them spirit to keep fighting. Long live burley! Long live burley! Let the weak of spirit and simple of mind have their inferior flu cures. Burley with a sprinkle of girly sweet Virginia is THE AMERICAN BLEND!

Finally....a post from cosmic that I can agree with!!! Hahahaha

 

[BROBS]

I love Camels for that very reason. I stopped buying them because they only do the blue mild version in the UK now?.
I looked on a site that sold foreign cigarettes to the UK a couple of years ago and was amazed at all the different Camel varieties that America gets. Iirc there were ones called "wides" I wouldn't have minded trying them and some of the others. It was an 800 cigarette minimum order though, which with our customs was too rich for my blood.

Yeah buddy I used to smoke Camel Wides. They are a fatter king size cig. Maybe 1.5x thicker than a regular?

 

[anotherbob]

Yeah buddy I used to smoke Camel Wides. They are a fatter king size cig. Maybe 1.5x thicker than a regular?

though the Camel filterless sucked. Most companies filterless taste like their regular cigs after you remove the filter. Camel filterless taste like buglers and are extremely harsh. The Wides however where just a bigger version of the original so not that bad really.

 

[PaulTheScandinavian]

Yeah buddy I used to smoke Camel Wides. They are a fatter king size cig. Maybe 1.5x thicker than a regular?

I used to like unfiltered Luckie Strikes,and Non-Filter Camel (U.S production not our weak EU stuff)do they still sell unfiltered Luckies there since I haven't seen them lately almost anywhere?