Do All Mass Market Cigarettes Use Burley Tobacco?

[rajangan]

Also, RYO tobacco that come in pipe cut get a bad wrap. They are actually very good quality tobaccos that smoke great in a pipe. We have several other member that enjoy it as well.

I imagine that it would be difficult to hide reconstituted tobacco in a ryo.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

I imagine that it would be difficult to hide reconstituted tobacco in a ryo.

Well, the jury is still out on Bugler and Kite.

 

[mso489]

I think burley was a filler tobacco and a base for some over the counter blends until Cornell & Diehl rediscovered it as a good base and condiment for pipe blends of many kinds. Then other blenders got on the train, and today burley is a most respectable citizen in the pipe tobacco line. Not everyone enjoys smoking it. Some can't taste it much; some get viscerally sick; some like it as part of blends; and others generally like it in many forms, like me. When I was growing up, my dad smoked only Granger, so I had a taste for it long before I ever smoked a pipe.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

I think burley was a filler tobacco and a base for some over the counter blends until Cornell & Diehl rediscovered it as a good base and condiment for pipe blends of many kinds. Then other blenders got on the train, and today burley is a most respectable citizen in the pipe tobacco line. Not everyone enjoys smoking it. Some can't taste it much; some get viscerally sick; some like it as part of blends; and others generally like it in many forms, like me. When I was growing up, my dad smoked only Granger, so I had a taste for it long before I ever smoked a pipe.

To be honest, burley has been the KING of pipe tobaccos since 1492. Form then till 1860's That was all there was, because that was when flu curing was started, which led to fire curing, etc... You also have to keep in mind that Virginia (bright leaf) tobaccos were always a sub par tobacco, because it is grown in inferior soils. It was the detritus of the tobacco world. No one wanted it, and it was used as a filler, because it was cheap. It is still cheap, comparatively. But, flu curing made a shitty cheapo scum sucking tobacco more palatable. Seriously! Look up the history of tobaccos.

It was weak, and didn't give much of a sensation like you'd get from a delicious hearty burley. But, then thin-necked city boys, pompas girly men, that they called "dandies" or "macaronis" started smoking these new Virginias, because it didn't make their weak inferior genetic make up sick at their sissy little stomachs. Today, we'd call them snowflakes or cucks.

But, burley remained king in OTCs, codger blends, and various other real men blends. 1792 and Brown Bogie are the evolution of real pipe tobaccos of old, from back when people complained about their pipe tobaccos, they blew their faces off and took their women and land as their own. Manifest Destiny this, motherf^cker. Red, white, and burley my patriotic ropes and twists. Through the battles, sweat, blood, and devastation, it's the burley they saw that gave them spirit to keep fighting. Long live burley! Long live burley! Let the weak of spirit and simple of mind have their inferior flu cures. Burley with a sprinkle of girly sweet Virginia is THE AMERICAN BLEND!

 

[cosmicfolklore]

sorry, I get carried away when the spirit arises.

 

[mso489]

Well, I knew I especially liked burley for some reason.

 

[dcon]

Just an added note, Sobranie began producing cigarettes in 1879. European elites adopted them well before US mass market versions. Phillip Morris produced cigarettes as early as 1854 and many US cigarette companies date from the 1890’s. Some early cigarettes used mainly “Turkish‘ tobaccos and many were primarily VA after flu curing.

 

[sandollars]

An interesting video on the subject. There are many others too.

 

[sandollars]

To be honest, burley has been the KING of pipe tobaccos since 1492. Form then till 1860's That was all there was, because that was when flu curing was started, which led to fire curing, etc... You also have to keep in mind that Virginia (bright leaf) tobaccos were always a sub par tobacco, because it is grown in inferior soils. It was the detritus of the tobacco world. No one wanted it, and it was used as a filler, because it was cheap. It is still cheap, comparatively. But, flu curing made a shitty cheapo scum sucking tobacco more palatable. Seriously! Look up the history of tobaccos.

It was weak, and didn't give much of a sensation like you'd get from a delicious hearty burley. But, then thin-necked city boys, pompas girly men, that they called "dandies" or "macaronis" started smoking these new Virginias, because it didn't make their weak inferior genetic make up sick at their sissy little stomachs. Today, we'd call them snowflakes or cucks.

But, burley remained king in OTCs, codger blends, and various other real men blends. 1792 and Brown Bogie are the evolution of real pipe tobaccos of old, from back when people complained about their pipe tobaccos, they blew their faces off and took their women and land as their own. Manifest Destiny this, motherf^cker. Red, white, and burley my patriotic ropes and twists. Through the battles, sweat, blood, and devastation, it's the burley they saw that gave them spirit to keep fighting. Long live burley! Long live burley! Let the weak of spirit and simple of mind have their inferior flu cures. Burley with a sprinkle of girly sweet Virginia is THE AMERICAN BLEND!

@cosmicfolklore FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Just an added note, Sobranie began producing cigarettes in 1879. European elites adopted them well before US mass market versions. Phillip Morris produced cigarettes as early as 1854 and many US cigarette companies date from the 1890’s. Some early cigarettes used mainly “Turkish‘ tobaccos and many were primarily VA after flu curing.

Well, yes and no. Paper cigarettes were no availible widespread till the mid 1900’s. These companies may have started then, but think about distribution and retail. Tobacco specific stores were only found in major cities, like New York, Chicago, etc... and, they were bent towards the very wealthy, which was a very small elite.

Gas stations were mostly General Stores with a pump, and even corprate flour and staples weren’t usually found in those till the height of radio marketing in the 30’s.

The technology to mass produce French Papers wasn’t viable till then as well, plus the technology to tube inject cigarettes. This was not watermill or a steam powered technology. It was very delicate production that relied on electricity.

So, Phillip Morris started out as a very niche market... sort if a novelty. You don’t see many Civil War pictures with cigarettes, mainly clay and cob pipes and cigars for the Northern officers. General Grant had a big hand in bringing cigars into Northern General Stores... thus the General store or dime store wooden Indians.

 

[dcon]

Well, yes and no. Paper cigarettes were no availible widespread till the mid 1900’s. These companies may have started then, but think about distribution and retail. Tobacco specific stores were only found in major cities, like New York, Chicago, etc... and, they were bent towards the very wealthy, which was a very small elite.

Gas stations were mostly General Stores with a pump, and even corprate flour and staples weren’t usually found in those till the height of radio marketing in the 30’s.

The technology to mass produce French Papers wasn’t viable till then as well, plus the technology to tube inject cigarettes. This was not watermill or a steam powered technology. It was very delicate production that relied on electricity.

So, Phillip Morris started out as a very niche market... sort if a novelty. You don’t see many Civil War pictures with cigarettes, mainly clay and cob pipes and cigars for the Northern officers. General Grant had a big hand in bringing cigars into Northern General Stores... thus the General store or dime store wooden Indians.

It just seems (perhaps just my [mis} perception) that you are significantly underestimating the production and demand for cigarettes post- Civil War. It is obviously true that electricity greatly increased production but, steam production was huge after the War and demand saw a huge increase. 10s of millions of cigarettes were produced/year in the early 1870s and, as the US population rose at the turn of the century, cigarette demand soon (by the mid 1910s) surpassed cigars. Most of the major brands, with which we are familiar, were in production before WWI.

 

[Perique]

Do a deep search to find out what cigarettes' are really made of.

This. I was thinking as I started reading this thread: Burley? We should be so lucky. Look up sheet tobacco.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

It just seems (perhaps just my [mis} perception) that you are significantly underestimating the production and demand for cigarettes post- Civil War. It is obviously true that electricity greatly increased production but, steam production was huge after the War and demand saw a huge increase. 10s of millions of cigarettes were produced/year in the early 1870s and, as the US population rose at the turn of the century, cigarette demand soon (by the mid 1910s) surpassed cigars. Most of the major brands, with which we are familiar were in production before WWI.

Hmmm, maybe... I am just going on what I have read, like it was including cigarettes in rations for WW2 soldiers to help promote them, and such. WW1 was more about pipes and cigars in my understanding, and WW2 was cigarettes. Thinking about all of those 1940's movies that really pushed cigarettes also. You don't really see cigarettes in movies before then.

It is probably moot. I mean, I'm not going to argue to push my point, but if I am wrong, I'd like to learn more about this. I know there was corporate pipe tobacco in England long before it was seem in heartland America, and that there were also cars long before there were gas stations in each city and roads capable of driving in most of the US. Phillip Morris was in all sorts of tobacco production and still is. It would be interesting to learn more about how they'd be distributed to heartland America if they did, when flour wasn't even being sold on a corporate level.

I'm all ears.

 

[3rdguy]

I wonder what they use in smokeless tobacco.

 

[dcon]

Hmmm, maybe... I am just going on what I have read, like it was including cigarettes in rations for WW2 soldiers to help promote them, and such. WW1 was more about pipes and cigars in my understanding, and WW2 was cigarettes. Thinking about all of those 1940's movies that really pushed cigarettes also. You don't really see cigarettes in movies before then.

It is probably moot. I mean, I'm not going to argue to push my point, but if I am wrong, I'd like to learn more about this. I know there was corporate pipe tobacco in England long before it was seem in heartland America, and that there were also cars long before there were gas stations in each city and roads capable of driving in most of the US. Phillip Morris was in all sorts of tobacco production and still is. It would be interesting to learn more about how they'd be distributed to heartland America if they did, when flour wasn't even being sold on a corporate level.

I'm all ears.

I believe flour may not be analogous. Folks were simply grinding their own flour and there were many local mills. The Civil War actually initiated many to cigs, just as other wars did later. There was enough of a demand that anti-cigarette legislation appeared in various regions in the 1890s. I have not (yet) researched the distribution issues that you pose but, someone one was buying them for production to reach 500 million cigs by 1916.
I do not wish to argue either. This sort of history has always fascinated me. BTW your hated bright was already outplanting Burley by the 1890s. I thought someone should stick up for VAs

 

[cosmicfolklore]

I believe flour may not be analogous. Folks were simply grinding their own flour and there were many local mills. The Civil War actually initiated many to cigs, just as other wars did later. There was enough of a demand that anti-cigarette legislation appeared in various regions in the 1890s. I have not (yet) researched the distribution issues that you pose but, someone one was buying them for production to reach 500 million cigs by 1916.
I do not wish to argue either. This sort of history has always fascinated me. BTW your hated bright was already outplanting Burley by the 1890s. I thought someone should stick up for VAs

I don’t really hate Virginias, and actually I found when researching growing “Viginias” that the farmers refers to it as brightleaf. I was hitting brick walls when asking about Virginias, but When I learned to ask about brightleaf instead, it opened so many more doors.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

I think it was a post about acidity of tobaccos years ago that I picked up that Virginias or flu cured tobacco is more acidic, which makes it Better for absorbing the nocotine through the lungs as opposed to the larger small blood vessels in the mouth. Making flue cured better for cigarettes.

But, if Virginia or flu cured production grew faster than I was aware of, and cigarettes to, then that makes sense. I do know that early Virginia tobacco ads were more “racially charged” than other tobaccos early on, because of its association with it being discovered and developed by slaves. The last tobacco that I am aware of to shake that racial stereotype was when F&T changed the name of one such... to BlackJack. You’ll have to google to find out what it was called.

 

[karam]

My question is why do cigarettes smell so bad?

Funnily enough, I smoked a couple of cigarettes since quitting 5 years ago, smoked them like I smoke a pipe or cigar, without inhaling and they tasted pretty damn good! Then I tried inhaling and thought there was no taste at all.

 

[rajangan]

My question is why do cigarettes smell so bad?

Funnily enough, I smoked a couple of cigarettes since quitting 5 years ago, smoked them like I smoke a pipe or cigar, without inhaling and they tasted pretty damn good! Then I tried inhaling and thought there was no taste at all.

I think the paper ruins it. Try rolling a cigarillo with flue cured as the wrapper, binder and filler. Alternatively, use burley as a wrapper. It works better. They can bite the tongue a bit, but they are more sweet in comparison to a cigarette and have way more flavour.

 

[hawky454]

The last tobacco that I am aware of to shake that racial stereotype was when F&T changed the name of one such... to BlackJack. You’ll have to google to find out what it was called.

That’s crazy as that really wasn’t that long ago... what was it 2 maybe 3 years ago that they changed the name?